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@edz I think the ultimate answer to your question is that every single government in the history of this world has governed according to the will of the people. This even holds true in places like China and North Korea and the USSR and 1930s Germany and 1775 colonial America.
In some of those cases, the will of the people changed which led to revolution. But all governments since ancient Greece have had this one principle in common: the people allow the government to exist and do not participate in it in a direct manner.
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You're giving him what he wants. As an expert level troll yourself, I thought you knew this. 😂 😂 😆
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@Itsfine said:
@edz I think the ultimate answer to your question is that every single government in the history of this world has governed according to the will of the people. This even holds true in places like China and North Korea and the USSR and 1930s Germany and 1775 colonial America.In some of those cases, the will of the people changed which led to revolution. But all governments since ancient Greece have had this one principle in common: the people allow the government to exist and do not participate in it in a direct manner.
Or is it in some forms of govt. folks really have no say so without taking grave chances. Then other govt. where people can make a difference yet choose to act complacently until it is too late.
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Our government right there.we were complacent too long and now the socialists are deeply entrenched and they're teaching kids socialism is good.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
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@edz said:
@Itsfine said:
@edz I think the ultimate answer to your question is that every single government in the history of this world has governed according to the will of the people. This even holds true in places like China and North Korea and the USSR and 1930s Germany and 1775 colonial America.In some of those cases, the will of the people changed which led to revolution. But all governments since ancient Greece have had this one principle in common: the people allow the government to exist and do not participate in it in a direct manner.
Or is it in some forms of govt. folks really have no say so without taking grave chances. Then other govt. where people can make a difference yet choose to act complacently until it is too late.
Having a vote is having a say. I still think it comes down to confidence in whichever system that governs you. This is why China has been so successful. Xi is an evil communist, but he realizes this. He punishes corruption in the government severely. That gives the citizens confidence that the government is not corrupt and that it has their interests in the forefront. Combined with the fire reaching Powers that the government has over there, it is unlikely that anyone will overthrow it because it seems impossible and unnecessary.
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All governments campaign for change. “Change” …supposedly aligns with their constituents values and beliefs, ‘some’, values and beliefs, not all.
In my lifetime, the only change I’ve seen, from either side, is more government entrenchment, more spending and more taxes.
With the advent of the internet and social media more and more exploitation of capitalism, corporate greed, truth and moral decay, me/myself/I first pervasive individual attitudes, egregious indoctrination, geopolitical manipulation and overreach…I could go on and on.
I know I’m painting a bleak and depressing picture here but this seems to be our current reality. I choose not to live my day to day life in that echo chamber. I have faith it will, someday, get better.
Ain’t it great, this country is still the best option to live, strive and express all your freedoms on a daily basis over one’s lifetime.
A good cigar and the open road solve most problems.
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@ShawnOL said:
Our government right there.we were complacent too long and now the socialists are deeply entrenched and they're teaching kids socialism is good.
Where? Who? What? The price of tinfoil just went through the roof! What does any of that even mean? Where are they teaching them this stuff. Please say schools, please, please say schools. When’s the last time you were in class room? 1978? This is just pure insanity.
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@Vision said:
@ShawnOL said:
Our government right there.we were complacent too long and now the socialists are deeply entrenched and they're teaching kids socialism is good.
Where? Who? What? The price of tinfoil just went through the roof! What does any of that even mean? Where are they teaching them this stuff. Please say schools, please, please say schools. When’s the last time you were in class room? 1978? This is just pure insanity.
Lol...Shawn is right, and Pete just proved it!
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain2 -
@Amos_Umwhat said:
@Vision said:
@ShawnOL said:
Our government right there.we were complacent too long and now the socialists are deeply entrenched and they're teaching kids socialism is good.
Where? Who? What? The price of tinfoil just went through the roof! What does any of that even mean? Where are they teaching them this stuff. Please say schools, please, please say schools. When’s the last time you were in class room? 1978? This is just pure insanity.
Lol...Shawn is right, and Pete just proved it!
I agree with you, Steve. It doesn’t exist in schools. Thank you for backing my point.
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@Vision said:
@ShawnOL said:
Our government right there.we were complacent too long and now the socialists are deeply entrenched and they're teaching kids socialism is good.
Where? Who? What? The price of tinfoil just went through the roof! What does any of that even mean? Where are they teaching them this stuff. Please say schools, please, please say schools. When’s the last time you were in class room? 1978? This is just pure insanity.
Pete, we just talked about this with Randy. Put your bag of seeds away. This is not a troll petting zoo.
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@Vision said:
@Amos_Umwhat said:
@Vision said:
@ShawnOL said:
Our government right there.we were complacent too long and now the socialists are deeply entrenched and they're teaching kids socialism is good.
Where? Who? What? The price of tinfoil just went through the roof! What does any of that even mean? Where are they teaching them this stuff. Please say schools, please, please say schools. When’s the last time you were in class room? 1978? This is just pure insanity.
Lol...Shawn is right, and Pete just proved it!
I agree with you, Steve. It doesn’t exist in schools. Thank you for backing my point.
I've heard your argument as to why certain ideas, be they gender-fluid or socialistic or ___, aren't taught in schools, and it doesn't hold water. For one, your sample size is too small. Two, because "They don't have time to teach that in the classroom" doesn't preclude the fact that the curriculum is teaching it and doesn't require any extra time out of the teacher's schedule. Thirdly, you must be excluding universities from your definition of what school means.
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@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 said:
All governments campaign for change. “Change” …supposedly aligns with their constituents values and beliefs, ‘some’, values and beliefs, not all.In my lifetime, the only change I’ve seen, from either side, is more government entrenchment, more spending and more taxes.
With the advent of the internet and social media more and more exploitation of capitalism, corporate greed, truth and moral decay, me/myself/I first pervasive individual attitudes, egregious indoctrination, geopolitical manipulation and overreach…I could go on and on.
I know I’m painting a bleak and depressing picture here but this seems to be our current reality. I choose not to live my day to day life in that echo chamber. I have faith it will, someday, get better.
Ain’t it great, this country is still the best option to live, strive and express all your freedoms on a daily basis over one’s lifetime.
I don't think you're painting a bleak picture, brother. For millennia, those in power have consolidated it and have kept it by controlling information . That's why it was illegal to assemble, illegal to worship, illegal to have an independent press, and even illegal to be in your homes undisturbed in colonial America.
That's why we have the Bill of Rights that we have. No quartering soldiers. Free press. Right to assembly. The founding fathers found these essential in ensuring freedom.
So then the question becomes How does one consolidate power and ensure that they keep it in a society where information is literally in your pocket, free, and easy to get?
We arrest protesters. We send national guards into peaceful cities. We increase the federal police presence everywhere, through ice, through national guard, through FBI, through a means necessary. We storm the capital and shìt on the speaker's desk and then pardon all of the stormers after they are convicted. We groom the public to accept lying in falsehoods by stating obvious mistruths that are easily disproven so that later we can flood the press and the information gatherers and the AI that uses the informational databases with complete Fabrications of Truth that cannot be so easily disproven, creating a quagmire of known information that is neither true nor untrue. We fear-monger to have those who are assembling and integrating into everyday life parrot these fears through Demagoguery telling tall tales of kindergarteners that are cutting off their clíts at the behest of the socialist teachers. We shut down the federal government and defund the life-saving aid to the poor.
I'm not saying the end times are coming or that they're here, but I'm not not saying it either.
Either way, it's fine.
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@Vision said:
@ShawnOL said:
Our government right there.we were complacent too long and now the socialists are deeply entrenched and they're teaching kids socialism is good.
Where? Who? What? The price of tinfoil just went through the roof! What does any of that even mean? Where are they teaching them this stuff. Please say schools, please, please say schools. When’s the last time you were in class room? 1978? This is just pure insanity.
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@peter4jc said:
@Vision said:
@Amos_Umwhat said:
@Vision said:
@ShawnOL said:
Our government right there.we were complacent too long and now the socialists are deeply entrenched and they're teaching kids socialism is good.
Where? Who? What? The price of tinfoil just went through the roof! What does any of that even mean? Where are they teaching them this stuff. Please say schools, please, please say schools. When’s the last time you were in class room? 1978? This is just pure insanity.
Lol...Shawn is right, and Pete just proved it!
I agree with you, Steve. It doesn’t exist in schools. Thank you for backing my point.
I've heard your argument as to why certain ideas, be they gender-fluid or socialistic or ___, aren't taught in schools, and it doesn't hold water. For one, your sample size is too small. Two, because "They don't have time to teach that in the classroom" doesn't preclude the fact that the curriculum is teaching it and doesn't require any extra time out of the teacher's schedule. Thirdly, you must be excluding universities from your definition of what school means.
Public schools. If you choose to go to a liberal college, that is your choice that you have made. I understand where your leanings come from, extremely conservative teachings so anything outside of what you believe is going to be deemed liberal. Because if it goes against the good book, of course it’s liberal. Maybe we both just have our biases.
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@peter4jc said:
@Vision said:
@Amos_Umwhat said:
@Vision said:
@ShawnOL said:
Our government right there.we were complacent too long and now the socialists are deeply entrenched and they're teaching kids socialism is good.
Where? Who? What? The price of tinfoil just went through the roof! What does any of that even mean? Where are they teaching them this stuff. Please say schools, please, please say schools. When’s the last time you were in class room? 1978? This is just pure insanity.
Lol...Shawn is right, and Pete just proved it!
I agree with you, Steve. It doesn’t exist in schools. Thank you for backing my point.
I've heard your argument as to why certain ideas, be they gender-fluid or socialistic or ___, aren't taught in schools, and it doesn't hold water. For one, your sample size is too small. Two, because "They don't have time to teach that in the classroom" doesn't preclude the fact that the curriculum is teaching it and doesn't require any extra time out of the teacher's schedule. Thirdly, you must be excluding universities from your definition of what school means.
I would also say that the sample is too small on the other side, Peter. My children are currently in school, high school, so I just went through k through 12 in the last 12 years. I've had nary an experience with any of that. There is no clít cutting, there's no diçk chopping, there's no blue hair, there are no teachers preaching communism.
I guess I would challenge you to show any large spread or wide scale evidence of what you are talking about. For every blue-haired fanatic that teaches in school that gets a lot of press coverage from the guardian, I can pull up an article from the Huffington Post telling the tale of a teacher wearing a maga hat or an old white Catholic priest **** an altar boy. Loud doesn't equal prevalent.
My proof that it isn't widespread or that it isn't effective is that every Charlie Kirk and Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and JD Vance grew up and went to these schools. They graduated from the ivy league. They're hardcore far right whack job right-wing conservatives. How did George and George w and their grandchildren all go to Harvard and Yale and what not and end up the leaders of the conservative movement?
I graduated from the local community college whose demographic is dominated by poor Latinos, and I never saw any private part chopping. I had liberal teachers. I had conservative teachers. I had teachers whose political affiliation was a mystery to me.
It just doesn't hold water.
Schools demand inclusion. Schools punish bullying. Schools require children to treat each
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I would challenge every single person on this forum who hasn't gone to college or hasn't gone to college in the last 20 years to take advantage of your low priced community college and complete any degree program that you want to. Document all of the indoctrination that you see. Report it back here so that we can all grasp this fantastical concept.
Maybe you're afraid that you'll end up wanting to dye your hair blue?
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Because I'm telling everyone here right now as someone who actively participates as faculty at a higher learning institution that the number one enemy of socialism or communism or oppression of any sort is a well-rounded and complete education. Anyone who is allergic to college because of blue hairs is already a sheeple.
The last time I was in a classroom was last Tuesday.
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@ShawnOL said:
Our government right there.we were complacent too long and now the socialists are deeply entrenched and they're teaching kids socialism is good.
I would love to see those lesson plans, formative and summative tests, homework assignments, class participation grades, and the resulting psychoanalysis of the children who were subjected to those lesson plans to determine how much their political leanings moved, as to judge the effectiveness of those lessons.
Oh wait, the evidence doesn't exist? That's perfect. The most compelling evidence that a conspiracy theory is true is the abject lack of evidence that a conspiracy theory is true.
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Oh I forgot to mention that we are also starting the beginning stages of quartering troops with civilians, but in reverse. Marco Rubio, Pete hegseth, and kristy noem have all begun living amongst the troops at military installations. This maybe the beginning of an effort to politicize the military. Can you imagine being a Frontline NCO and your neighbor is The Secretary of State?
The armed forces of the United States is the best trained and most effective force in the entire world. One of the tenants of this Force is expressly that it is apolitical. Housing them with political employees is the very definition of fraternization. It threatens the efficacy of the entire institution.
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But hey, the economy is doing great.
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And your conservative Jesus, the president of the United States of America, went to all the private schools in the world, including Wharton, where he maintained a solid 1.9 GPA he then spent his entire adult life saved for the last 10 years as an absolute liberal, appearing on Oprah and living a life absent of God. He married foreign women and cheated on them with foreign women. He didn't pay his bills and he grabbed them by the pússy. He likely fuçked multiple 13-year-old girls While they quietly whimpered and squirmed. He was dishonest in his life. If he was dishonest in his family dealings. He was dishonest in his business dealings. He was dishonest with himself. He has been dishonest to you.
10 years ago he put on a red hat and rode into conservative Jerusalem on a donkey. You may love him, but he's a false god.
Yep, he's winning. He may even get statues. Those statues, like those of Saddam and Hitler and Pol pot, will topple in time.
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Shawn and Randy and even Pete might be trolls. They might be expert level trolls. Jeff and other Frank might aspire to be troll-like. But never forget, my friends. I am the king of all trolls. I am troll Jesus. I rode under the bridge wearing my red hat on my troll donkey. I am no false troll God. #NeverForget
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Readers please note the above comments, all to the far-left of center, and not one single comment is flagged.
Gosh, I wonder why not?
In truth, Frank makes a number of good points. It makes me wonder, then, if it's not what they're learning in school, what is the source of the blatantly socialist attitude of so many young people today? Home schooling? I don't think so, but maybe. I mostly see two very different groups that home school their kids. Those who fear left wing indoctrination, and those who are too lazy to get up and get their kids off to school. Media bias? It's certainly there, but there are also a lot of far right lunatic news outlets. Not on your cable TV, of course, except FOX, but they're out there.
So, why the rising tide of Socialism? Lack of Critical Thinking skills being taught? Emphasis on accepting ideas that don't match reality? e.g. I'm told by an educator in a nearby town that they must provide a litter-box in the restroom for a child who "identifies" as a cat. So, the school at large accepts mental illness as an unavoidable condition to be tolerated and thus encourages other students to find their own niche in the world of the unstable.
Does it all rest on the parents? and if so, how'd they get that way?
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@Amos_Umwhat said:
Readers please note the above comments, all to the far-left of center, and not one single comment is flagged.Gosh, I wonder why not?
In truth, Frank makes a number of good points. It makes me wonder, then, if it's not what they're learning in school, what is the source of the blatantly socialist attitude of so many young people today? Home schooling? I don't think so, but maybe. I mostly see two very different groups that home school their kids. Those who fear left wing indoctrination, and those who are too lazy to get up and get their kids off to school. Media bias? It's certainly there, but there are also a lot of far right lunatic news outlets. Not on your cable TV, of course, except FOX, but they're out there.
So, why the rising tide of Socialism? Lack of Critical Thinking skills being taught? Emphasis on accepting ideas that don't match reality? e.g. I'm told by an educator in a nearby town that they must provide a litter-box in the restroom for a child who "identifies" as a cat. So, the school at large accepts mental illness as an unavoidable condition to be tolerated and thus encourages other students to find their own niche in the world of the unstable.
Does it all rest on the parents? and if so, how'd they get that way?
The internet, social media. The times I need to tell the boy “shut that shït off” is amazing. And they are messages from both sides of the political spectrum. It’s nutty.
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Wel shít, I remembered I forgot to set the hook but I guess it set itself
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nice going Frank. Our government has labored tirelessly to free us and inoculate us against cognitive dissonance.
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@Itsfine said:
...never forget, my friends. I am the king of all trolls. I am troll Jesus. I rode under the bridge wearing my red hat on my troll donkey. I am no false troll God. #NeverForgetI think I may have identified the moment when the edibles kicked in.
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Just messin' with you, Troll Jesus.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain0
