There is a provision in the bill to credit the $750 towards your new, increased property tax.
Yeah, that would have to overturn prop 13 which I highly doubt. However, California always has a way of getting money out of the taxpayer somehow someway.
There is a provision in the bill to credit the $750 towards your new, increased property tax.
Yeah, that would have to overturn prop 13 which I highly doubt. However, California always has a way of getting money out of the taxpayer somehow someway.
What some have suggested is, CA could determine since homes and neighborhoods are completely destroyed, homeowners are not actually repairing or rebuilding existing homes, but building new, making their property taxes subject to current appraised values. Perhaps that's a cynical observation, but, I wouldn't put it past them.
There is a provision in the bill to credit the $750 towards your new, increased property tax.
Yeah, that would have to overturn prop 13 which I highly doubt. However, California always has a way of getting money out of the taxpayer somehow someway.
What some have suggested is, CA could determine since homes and neighborhoods are completely destroyed, homeowners are not actually repairing or rebuilding existing homes, but building new, making their property taxes subject to current appraised values. Perhaps that's a cynical observation, but, I wouldn't put it past them.
Yes, that is the part of prop 13. In California your property taxes are based on what you bought the house for. When somebody sells a house at a higher appraised value, somewhere in the future, the new buyer assumes property tax at what they bought it for. Our property taxes don’t go up every year.
I've seen several posts now about states sending fire trucks to help in CA and they have to stop in Sacramento to be inspected before they can go to the area that's on fire. First post I saw was 60 trucks from Oregon and I've seen a few others since. Are you fxxcking kidding me?
Hey man, gotta maintain your priorities, man. You know, man? Like, follow the rules, man. That's important stuff, man.
Oh, and one of those WTF's is mine, man.
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@CharlieHeis said:
I've seen several posts now about states sending fire trucks to help in CA and they have to stop in Sacramento to be inspected before they can go to the area that's on fire. First post I saw was 60 trucks from Oregon and I've seen a few others since. Are you fxxcking kidding me?
It was completely debunked and the guy who posted that on Twitter retracted it later in a separate tweet. 1 million percent false.
Not banging on you, Charlie, but freedom of the press should literally be retracted at this point because the press lies at will with no consequences. Why do they get protections?
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One of the super scoopers scooped up a scuba diver who was dumped with the water load right on top of a burning inferno.
James woods lost his house.
A hot dog stand was closed by health inspectors for giving out free food to firefighters.
Some local or state authority didn't keep the water tanks full on the top of the mountains which caused the fire hydrants to run dry.
And by the way, that $100 million that the governor supposedly cut in fire has some finer points:
first, he didn't line item $100 million cut. He approved a budget that his legislature put to his desk that had $100 million in funding fewer than Cal fire requested.
that $100 million represents about 3% of the annual Cal fire budget, which is a hair over $3 billion dollars this year.
in the last 10 years, the California state government has tripled the fire budget. In 2014 it was just about a billion dollars.
that $100 million cut was for an entire State program, not for LA county and not for Pacific Palisades.
that extra $100 million likely would not have saved a single structure. Had it saved a number of structures, it wouldn't have prevented any of these seven fires.
Look, you political activists, you have so much truth that you can arm yourself with, why don't you just stick to that? Relying on lies and Breitbart reports and Alex Jones and Steve Bannon is mind-bogglingly idiotic. The reason that we are losing the information war in this country is because people on both sides willingly and knowingly accept and spread misinformation with Glee because it aligns with their personal preferences and leanings. Shame on everybody who does it. Every **** buddy.
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@CharlieHeis said:
I've seen several posts now about states sending fire trucks to help in CA and they have to stop in Sacramento to be inspected before they can go to the area that's on fire. First post I saw was 60 trucks from Oregon and I've seen a few others since. Are you fxxcking kidding me?
It was completely debunked and the guy who posted that on Twitter retracted it later in a separate tweet. 1 million percent false.
Not banging on you, Charlie, but freedom of the press should literally be retracted at this point because the press lies at will with no consequences. Why do they get protections?
Let’s face it. In corporate media empire’s sensationalism of tragic loss (news) is the main goal and if tweaking it bit helps sell the narrative, then by all means, full speed ahead. This corporate stance filters down the chain of command to all the foot soldiers, boots on the ground reporters, who in the name of getting ahead in their profession, perpetuate the sensationalism we see on television. Of course, this is my purely hypothetical thoughts on my end. ONSINT independent news sources are, in my opinion, more reliable, honest, non partisan, fact checked and up to date reporting.
Rant over.
@CharlieHeis said:
Well that's a relief. I also read about them cutting millions off the fire department budget. Hopefully that's false too.
It's true, with caveats. They requested 3.1 billion dollars, and they ended up getting 3.0 billion. 100 million is a lot sexier sounding than .1 billion. Bunch of professional headline writers out there.
I think the final conclusion is that this is a natural disaster and that nobody was ever going to stop it, even for a trillion dollars.
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@First_Warrior said:
What are the chances that all those seperate fires started at the same time?
Not sure. I saw a surveillance camera from LAX that watches plane landings catch the Palisades fire beginning it started about 85% up the mountain right below the peak. It was a clear day and I can't imagine it was started by lightning.. I know that the Lydia and the sunset fires started a couple days later. Not sure about the other ones.
I also read that the they found someone with one of those flamethrowers from the boring company, owned by Elon musk by the way LOL, somewhere in La just starting random fires.
Of course, I don't trust Twitter at all.
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Well, here's a question for the California guys, the narrative on the right is that environmental laws in California allow for underbrush to accumulate causing an ever-increasing new extra hazard. In other words, back in the day sane men kept the underbrush from accumulating and wildfires fires were not as bad before all the municipal and state authorities came to be led by lefty lib environuts who want the undeveloped areas to remain untouched. What is the truth?
UC San Diego’s environmental program has a camera pointed at the mountain where the Palisades fire is thought to have started. The camera is there to monitor environmental changes to plant and wildlife. The camera appears to have caught someone intentionally setting the fire.
@Bob_Luken said:
Well, here's a question for the California guys, the narrative on the right is that environmental laws in California allow for underbrush to accumulate causing an ever-increasing new extra hazard. In other words, back in the day sane men kept the underbrush from accumulating and wildfires fires were not as bad before all the municipal and state authorities came to be led by lefty lib environuts who want the undeveloped areas to remain untouched. What is the truth?
@CharlieHeis said:
Well that's a relief. I also read about them cutting millions off the fire department budget. Hopefully that's false too.
It's true, with caveats. They requested 3.1 billion dollars, and they ended up getting 3.0 billion. 100 million is a lot sexier sounding than .1 billion. Bunch of professional headline writers out there.
I think the final conclusion is that this is a natural disaster and that nobody was ever going to stop it, even for a trillion dollars.
Vehemently disagree. I personally lived through ‘03 and ‘07 fires. 03 was a **** show BUT still had water!! ‘07 the FD (and all other related agencies) learned from 03, budgeted and put into action with much better results. Average wind speeds were between 40 and 60 miles an hour with gusts up to 90 miles an hour for both fires. It’s absolutely surreal how fast the fire spreads. There is no aerial support when the winds are at the speed… It’s impossible. However, in both situations we had water. The water helped save hundreds and thousands of structures during those fires. Water at a minimum, should be bare bones, basic necessity for any type of fire in any type of fire situation. The bottom line of this fire is that we’ve had several fires over the last 20+ years and yet we still do not budget to land clear. We live in the phucking desert for Christ sake. You need to clear the land and you need to have phucking water reserves!!!! I’m not yelling at you, Francis.
@Bob_Luken said:
Well, here's a question for the California guys, the narrative on the right is that environmental laws in California allow for underbrush to accumulate causing an ever-increasing new extra hazard. In other words, back in the day sane men kept the underbrush from accumulating and wildfires fires were not as bad before all the municipal and state authorities came to be led by lefty lib environuts who want the undeveloped areas to remain untouched. What is the truth?
Out in the countryside, the Cal fire has turned over to the property owners that they have to clear anywhere between 50 to 100 feet of their own land. Which I do not believe is unreasonable request. It also helps to get Fire insurance. Before the first Fire in 2003 I paid $400 for Fire insurance After the 07 fire I was up to seven almost $8000 a year and that was an out of state company, and it was B rated.
FYI… It’s not a natural disaster when you got **** phucking a$$hole arsonist out there lighting fires on purpose… Which is usually the case in every situation with the exception of when the local power company admitted to having lines down by the winds that ignited the overgrowth of brush that hadn’t been cleared in years.
@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 said:
FYI… It’s not a natural disaster when you got **** phucking a$$hole arsonist out there lighting fires on purpose… Which is usually the case in every situation with the exception of when the local power company admitted to having lines down by the winds that ignited the overgrowth of brush that hadn’t been cleared in years.
Semantics. In the end, it's too big to contain and mostly too big to do anything about. My natural disaster terminology is more about scale than cause.
And I know that you disagree about whether or not it could have been mitigated or prevented. Perhaps the scope of it could have been prevented with extraordinary brush maintenance, etc, but once that **** started, it was burning that town to shreds and it wasn't any amount of water or water towers that was going to save all them houses.
I feel sorry for those poor souls.
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@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 said:
FYI… It’s not a natural disaster when you got **** phucking a$$hole arsonist out there lighting fires on purpose… Which is usually the case in every situation with the exception of when the local power company admitted to having lines down by the winds that ignited the overgrowth of brush that hadn’t been cleared in years.
Semantics. In the end, it's too big to contain and mostly too big to do anything about. My natural disaster terminology is more about scale than cause.
And I know that you disagree about whether or not it could have been mitigated or prevented. Perhaps the scope of it could have been prevented with extraordinary brush maintenance, etc, but once that **** started, it was burning that town to shreds and it wasn't any amount of water or water towers that was going to save all them houses.
I feel sorry for those poor souls.
I can agree with most of your statement. Semantics seems pretty cavalier. But I understand what you’re saying. Wildfires are considered a natural disaster. However, if a human element started the fires and the high winds was the catalyst, I call that arson. Nothing natural about it, except the Santa Ana winds. Either way you want to slice the semantics or witty intelligence, we can agree it’s tragic beyond measure.
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There is a provision in the bill to credit the $750 towards your new, increased property tax.
Yeah, that would have to overturn prop 13 which I highly doubt. However, California always has a way of getting money out of the taxpayer somehow someway.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
What some have suggested is, CA could determine since homes and neighborhoods are completely destroyed, homeowners are not actually repairing or rebuilding existing homes, but building new, making their property taxes subject to current appraised values. Perhaps that's a cynical observation, but, I wouldn't put it past them.
Yes, that is the part of prop 13. In California your property taxes are based on what you bought the house for. When somebody sells a house at a higher appraised value, somewhere in the future, the new buyer assumes property tax at what they bought it for. Our property taxes don’t go up every year.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
I've seen several posts now about states sending fire trucks to help in CA and they have to stop in Sacramento to be inspected before they can go to the area that's on fire. First post I saw was 60 trucks from Oregon and I've seen a few others since. Are you fxxcking kidding me?
Hey man, gotta maintain your priorities, man. You know, man? Like, follow the rules, man. That's important stuff, man.
Oh, and one of those WTF's is mine, man.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
It was completely debunked and the guy who posted that on Twitter retracted it later in a separate tweet. 1 million percent false.
Not banging on you, Charlie, but freedom of the press should literally be retracted at this point because the press lies at will with no consequences. Why do they get protections?
Other false stories include:
One of the super scoopers scooped up a scuba diver who was dumped with the water load right on top of a burning inferno.
James woods lost his house.
A hot dog stand was closed by health inspectors for giving out free food to firefighters.
Some local or state authority didn't keep the water tanks full on the top of the mountains which caused the fire hydrants to run dry.
And by the way, that $100 million that the governor supposedly cut in fire has some finer points:
Look, you political activists, you have so much truth that you can arm yourself with, why don't you just stick to that? Relying on lies and Breitbart reports and Alex Jones and Steve Bannon is mind-bogglingly idiotic. The reason that we are losing the information war in this country is because people on both sides willingly and knowingly accept and spread misinformation with Glee because it aligns with their personal preferences and leanings. Shame on everybody who does it. Every **** buddy.
Let’s face it. In corporate media empire’s sensationalism of tragic loss (news) is the main goal and if tweaking it bit helps sell the narrative, then by all means, full speed ahead. This corporate stance filters down the chain of command to all the foot soldiers, boots on the ground reporters, who in the name of getting ahead in their profession, perpetuate the sensationalism we see on television. Of course, this is my purely hypothetical thoughts on my end. ONSINT independent news sources are, in my opinion, more reliable, honest, non partisan, fact checked and up to date reporting.
Rant over.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
Well that's a relief. I also read about them cutting millions off the fire department budget. Hopefully that's false too.
It's true, with caveats. They requested 3.1 billion dollars, and they ended up getting 3.0 billion. 100 million is a lot sexier sounding than .1 billion. Bunch of professional headline writers out there.
I think the final conclusion is that this is a natural disaster and that nobody was ever going to stop it, even for a trillion dollars.
What are the chances that all those seperate fires started at the same time?
Not sure. I saw a surveillance camera from LAX that watches plane landings catch the Palisades fire beginning it started about 85% up the mountain right below the peak. It was a clear day and I can't imagine it was started by lightning.. I know that the Lydia and the sunset fires started a couple days later. Not sure about the other ones.
I also read that the they found someone with one of those flamethrowers from the boring company, owned by Elon musk by the way LOL, somewhere in La just starting random fires.
Of course, I don't trust Twitter at all.
Well, here's a question for the California guys, the narrative on the right is that environmental laws in California allow for underbrush to accumulate causing an ever-increasing new extra hazard. In other words, back in the day sane men kept the underbrush from accumulating and wildfires fires were not as bad before all the municipal and state authorities came to be led by lefty lib environuts who want the undeveloped areas to remain untouched. What is the truth?
UC San Diego’s environmental program has a camera pointed at the mountain where the Palisades fire is thought to have started. The camera is there to monitor environmental changes to plant and wildlife. The camera appears to have caught someone intentionally setting the fire.
You can't handle the truth!
Vehemently disagree. I personally lived through ‘03 and ‘07 fires. 03 was a **** show BUT still had water!! ‘07 the FD (and all other related agencies) learned from 03, budgeted and put into action with much better results. Average wind speeds were between 40 and 60 miles an hour with gusts up to 90 miles an hour for both fires. It’s absolutely surreal how fast the fire spreads. There is no aerial support when the winds are at the speed… It’s impossible. However, in both situations we had water. The water helped save hundreds and thousands of structures during those fires. Water at a minimum, should be bare bones, basic necessity for any type of fire in any type of fire situation. The bottom line of this fire is that we’ve had several fires over the last 20+ years and yet we still do not budget to land clear. We live in the phucking desert for Christ sake. You need to clear the land and you need to have phucking water reserves!!!! I’m not yelling at you, Francis.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
Out in the countryside, the Cal fire has turned over to the property owners that they have to clear anywhere between 50 to 100 feet of their own land. Which I do not believe is unreasonable request. It also helps to get Fire insurance. Before the first Fire in 2003 I paid $400 for Fire insurance After the 07 fire I was up to seven almost $8000 a year and that was an out of state company, and it was B rated.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
FYI… It’s not a natural disaster when you got **** phucking a$$hole arsonist out there lighting fires on purpose… Which is usually the case in every situation with the exception of when the local power company admitted to having lines down by the winds that ignited the overgrowth of brush that hadn’t been cleared in years.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
Phucking scum.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
International good will 🤙🏼
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
Humvees and equipment stolen from reserve unit. Inside job????
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A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
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A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
I was able to get mine contained tonight
Have you considered getting the heat deflector for your Solo Stove? It works pretty good.
@Yakster i haven’t because I wasn't sure if it was worth it. Mine is fairly new so trying to get some reps in during the nice days.
Semantics. In the end, it's too big to contain and mostly too big to do anything about. My natural disaster terminology is more about scale than cause.
And I know that you disagree about whether or not it could have been mitigated or prevented. Perhaps the scope of it could have been prevented with extraordinary brush maintenance, etc, but once that **** started, it was burning that town to shreds and it wasn't any amount of water or water towers that was going to save all them houses.
I feel sorry for those poor souls.
I can agree with most of your statement. Semantics seems pretty cavalier. But I understand what you’re saying. Wildfires are considered a natural disaster. However, if a human element started the fires and the high winds was the catalyst, I call that arson. Nothing natural about it, except the Santa Ana winds. Either way you want to slice the semantics or witty intelligence, we can agree it’s tragic beyond measure.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
Boy , I step away for a couple days and look what happens 😂