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@Amos_Umwhat said:
@Vision said:
@Amos_Umwhat said:
Iran agrees to a lot of things. How is that working out?Can you provide any proof that it wasn’t going well?
40,000 dead Iranians in Tehran in the month of January, 1,200 dead Israelis on Oct 12th, you know, stuff like that. It could just be that they aren't good people. But hey, it wasn't in Boston, so no big deal, right? Troll on.
I was waiting on this. Do you want us in every country that commits state sponsored murder of its people? Most of Africa? North Korea? Afghanistan? How many American lives are you willing to lose?
I wish we were there to help their citizens. I’m just not sure we are there for any other reason than oil and lining their pockets
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@Vision said:
@Amos_Umwhat said:
@Vision said:
@Amos_Umwhat said:
Iran agrees to a lot of things. How is that working out?Can you provide any proof that it wasn’t going well?
40,000 dead Iranians in Tehran in the month of January, 1,200 dead Israelis on Oct 12th, you know, stuff like that. It could just be that they aren't good people. But hey, it wasn't in Boston, so no big deal, right? Troll on.
I was waiting on this. Do you want us in every country that commits state sponsored murder of its people? Most of Africa? North Korea? Afghanistan? How many American lives are you willing to lose?
I wish we were there to help their citizens. I’m just not sure we are there for any other reason than oil and lining their pockets
You are more correct than I want to admit. Rwanda may have been a good example of this. Yet many things are so connected that we do not want to look at as far as jobs, economy, and life as we know it. If oil was cut off this country would want it's leader hanged, dem or rep.. We truly are not willing to sacrifice. NIMBY effect... not in my back yard
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I think the reason there was minimal push-back here from the socially liberal sector was the slaughter of demonstrators in Iran.
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What's wrong with fighting over oil? Humans (and animals) have fought over natural resources since the dawn of time.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
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@Vision said:
@Amos_Umwhat said:
@Vision said:
@Amos_Umwhat said:
Iran agrees to a lot of things. How is that working out?Can you provide any proof that it wasn’t going well?
40,000 dead Iranians in Tehran in the month of January, 1,200 dead Israelis on Oct 12th, you know, stuff like that. It could just be that they aren't good people. But hey, it wasn't in Boston, so no big deal, right? Troll on.
I was waiting on this. Do you want us in every country that commits state sponsored murder of its people? Most of Africa? North Korea? Afghanistan? How many American lives are you willing to lose?
I wish we were there to help their citizens. I’m just not sure we are there for any other reason than oil and lining their pockets
No, I'm not too big on the idea of being the world's policeman. I didn't like it when GHW Bush seemed to want that either.
I also don't like that our actions are diametrically opposed to a large number of international agreements that we've made in the past.
Here's the thing, those agreements were made in good faith, with the assumption that everyone else was also negotiating in good faith. What so many people seem to miss is the fact that there is no good faith negotiating with people whose national theme is "Death to America". They teach it to their children, they shout it and dance in the streets during elections cycles, it's like their national anthem.
And, left wing lunatics pay attention now, they really mean it. They really really mean it. They're not just joking around.
What are they willing to do to accomplish this goal? Anything. Lie, cheat, steal, assassinate, destroy, deploy, incinerate, detonate, more lying, starve their own, kill their own, kill you and your own, turn this ball of mud we ride on into molten glass and ash heaps, the list goes on.
Who is helping them to accomplish these goals?
Oh, come on. You know who. Yes, you do. If I have to spell it out, you're not smart enough to grasp it.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain2 -
P.S. Have you noticed that in your assessment of people's opinions it's always all or nothing for you? If someone agrees with Trump on something, they're MAGA. They must worship Trump like a Demi-god or something. If we take action someplace, you assume we must take action on every little thing in the whole world.
So, then, by your logic, since you agree with the left on nearly everything, should we assume that you have wet dreams about a threesome with Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris?
Just wondering.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain1 -
Mass killing of civilians inevitably leads to bloodlust and revenge. It is never over. It is badly managed by the powerful victors. Do the Netanuites really think the Arab neighbors are going to sit at the feet of Israel and offer it garlands and gratitude for killing their spouses and children? Stupid humans.
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@Amos_Umwhat said:
P.S. Have you noticed that in your assessment of people's opinions it's always all or nothing for you? If someone agrees with Trump on something, they're MAGA. They must worship Trump like a Demi-god or something. If we take action someplace, you assume we must take action on every little thing in the whole world.So, then, by your logic, since you agree with the left on nearly everything, should we assume that you have wet dreams about a threesome with Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris?
Just wondering.
Crazy how you would believe that. Also funny that historically I voted Republican. I didn’t vote in the last election, and I even voted for the Orange in his first term because I truly thought he was better than Hillary. I think some people have an inability to say “I was wrong“ or maybe that wasn’t the best decision… I guess my opinions can change.
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See @Amos_Umwhat !! I knew you understood MAGA!
“What are they willing to do to accomplish this goal? Anything. Lie, cheat, steal, assassinate, destroy, deploy, incinerate, detonate, more lying, starve their own, kill their own, kill you and your own, turn this ball of mud we ride on into molten glass and ash heaps, the list goes on.”
You were naming this turds cabinet and didn’t even realize it. Thanks Steve. I appreciate you for finally seeing it.
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@Vision said:
See @Amos_Umwhat !! I knew you understood MAGA!“What are they willing to do to accomplish this goal? Anything. Lie, cheat, steal, assassinate, destroy, deploy, incinerate, detonate, more lying, starve their own, kill their own, kill you and your own, turn this ball of mud we ride on into molten glass and ash heaps, the list goes on.”
You were naming this turds cabinet and didn’t even realize it. Thanks Steve. I appreciate you for finally seeing it.
Things like the 1994 crime bill or should we start with the promoting of Jim Crow Laws and take it from there?
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Big furor over this, why does this single stupid soldier's act trump the death and destruction going on?
IDF investigates soldier smashing Jesus statue in Lebanon
---BBChttps://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd575n1znzo
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/20/world/middleeast/israeli-soldier-lebanon-sledgehammer-jesus.htmlOver 150 Jewish leaders sign letter decrying desecration of Jesus statue in Lebanon
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I saw the picture. Did he actually break it or just hold it over it posing?
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
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@silvermouse said:
Big furor over this, why does this single stupid soldier's act trump the death and destruction going on?IDF investigates soldier smashing Jesus statue in Lebanon
---BBChttps://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd575n1znzo
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/20/world/middleeast/israeli-soldier-lebanon-sledgehammer-jesus.htmlOver 150 Jewish leaders sign letter decrying desecration of Jesus statue in Lebanon
https://www.timesofisrael.comI watched Trevor Noah's recent stand up routine the other night. He made a point that seems salient to your question.
As follows:
"Just because something big is happening doesn't mean the small stuff stops."
He repeated that several times, with examples, and I do believe that he's right.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain1 -
Agree. My point hinged on the fact that he wasn't assaulting Jesus, rather a graven image. Disrespectful. Like burning a portrait of a politician or national flag. Not the same as shooting one. What that fool does in his spare time is much worse. War is nasty.
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The thought occurs to me that the logic/reason/mindset of Middle-Eastern people is in some ways drastically different than mine, as a Westerner. What led to that thought was how intensely angry some Muslims became when their prophet was characterized by a cartoonist, a while back in the French newspaper, or Salman Rushdie's book. Their iconography might be on a different level.
Or, maybe it's nothing more than Israel not wanting to offend US officials in Congress by overlooking something that might upset some silly "Christian" sources of funds.
"I could've had a Mi Querida!" Nick Bardis2 -
@silvermouse said:
Agree. My point hinged on the fact that he wasn't assaulting Jesus, rather a graven image. Disrespectful. Like burning a portrait of a politician or national flag. Not the same as shooting one. What that fool does in his spare time is much worse. War is nasty.Edward, been thinking about this today and am very confused. Thinking a graven image can only be if a person is Christian. That being said, if it is of Jesus how can it be graven? You are far wiser than I am so be assured that I am really trying to figure this out.
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@edz Just my opinion, formed by a need for sanity:
Well, you likely know it is from the Ten commandments. Christian belief now but Jewish in origin (unlike Jesus (who was not a Christian)). Here's a link to an article about it below. Religion has, in my opinion, twisted and turned around interpretation to suit the believers since the beginning. Rabbis argue about the 'true' meaning of every phrase in the Torah to this day. The various sects of Christianity do the same. I have Catholic friends who are pro-choice for instance. Religion, like politics, like cultural norms, et cetera, is an agreed force for social control and harmony. Variations of any one of those lead to cognitive dissonance and emotional distress. Anyway, the same applies to the other commandments, written by God, according to humans, like "thou shalt not kill". Pretty straight forward, no? But most folk read that as 'you shouldn't murder'. That opens up moral grounds for war. During a war, being a Christian of most sects, or even personal moral commitment, is not enough to get you a CO exemption to the draft, for example.
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@silvermouse said:
@edz Just my opinion, formed by a need for sanity:Well, you likely know it is from the Ten commandments. Christian belief now but Jewish in origin (unlike Jesus (who was not a Christian)). Here's a link to an article about it below. Religion has, in my opinion, twisted and turned around interpretation to suit the believers since the beginning. Rabbis argue about the 'true' meaning of every phrase in the Torah to this day. The various sects of Christianity do the same. I have Catholic friends who are pro-choice for instance. Religion, like politics, like cultural norms, et cetera, is an agreed force for social control and harmony. Variations of any one of those lead to cognitive dissonance and emotional distress. Anyway, the same applies to the other commandments, written by God, according to humans, like "thou shalt not kill". Pretty straight forward, no? But most folk read that as 'you shouldn't murder'. That opens up moral grounds for war. During a war, being a Christian of most sects, or even personal moral commitment, is not enough to get you a CO exemption to the draft, for example.
Can't argue with you, religion and spirituality can be light years apart.
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Oh, and the Qur’an says images of people is a sin in religious art and architecture.
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@silvermouse said:
Oh, and the Qur’an says images of people is a sin in religious art and architecture.Only if they are being worshiped, not for art or display. Much Like my great grandparents who were Eastern Orthodox and used icans but not pictures.
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The Post revealed what’s in the fundraising contract for the White House ballroom.
Trump fought to keep it secret: The agreement governs hundreds of millions of dollars in private donations toward the most significant change to the White House in decades.
...the contract’s provisions allow wealthy people with business before the federal government to donate anonymously.0 -
Sounds like the super pacs. More of the same old same old.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain1 -
Your political leaning aside… How can anybody refuse this? And please, no dog **** while this democratic president did this and this Democratic president did that. Sure they all do it but to this level? No…
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If looks could kill, they probably will
In games without frontiers, war without tears
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The poor and middle pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the very rich pay lawyers – and the ultra-rich pay politicians.
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President Trump said Sunday that “what happened last night” never would have unfolded in the ballroom he wants to build at the White House. “What happened last night is exactly the reason that our great Military, Secret Service, Law Enforcement and, for different reasons, every President for the last 150 years, have been DEMANDING that a large, safe, and secure Ballroom be built ON THE GROUNDS OF THE WHITE HOUSE,” he said on social media.
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Entire NSF science advisory board fired by Trump administration
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Check out Forbes April 26
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https://youtu.be/TEgqnINjA-Q?si=-DKmQfjiFZYeR-kO