Martel:And to add a verse:11 Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content. 12 I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need. 13 I can do all things through him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:11-13 ESV
Martel: RBeckom: Martel: RBeckom:Just saw the thread view count and could not let that number stand! So, BUMP! IF it was because it was at 666, I shake my head at the sad state of popular Biblical interpretation. First, because it's probably meant to be 616. Second, because it's just overblown in American Christianity. The symbolism just isn't as sinister or as deep as most people think it is. Check out these three posts from an expert on Asia Minor (location of the seven churches):http://richardoster.com/tag/gematria/It's kind of technical, but worth the 15 minutes.Sorry if I took this way too seriously. Sometimes the 666 reference is thrown out in jest, but I've seen it taken WAYyyyyyy too seriously.Every one has their belief on that particular number, I would not let it stand for my reasons, for others who were offended by my bump, I apologize but certain numbers have a strong meaning to me, personally, so I did what I felt best. Again for me and for MY reasons. It didn't offend, sorry if it came across that way. I hope I didn't offend you. I just don't think every time I see 666 (or 616, whichever may be, or both) I have to panic. It's just a shorthand name for a man-not the beast, not an anti-Christ (a word that never appears in Revelation, and is always plural when it does appear elsewhere). I don't think the number and the mark are the same thing, but I don't get crazy about trying to figure out what the mark is. I don't think it's barcodes or chips like they put in dogs or little green men flying around in black helicopters or drones tagging us with some kind of something or other. I also happen to think this particular passage is less prophetic and more historical. But like you said, there's lots of interpretations. As far as the number goes, it spells a name. "Neron Kaisar" is 666 in gematria. "Nero Kaisar" is 616 (so either points to the same person. Of course you can also turn Domitian or Lateinos into 666 as well.By the way, the best book, ever, on Revelation is by Mark Wilson, "Charts on the Book of Revelation." Great teaching resource. The six page chart on allusions in Rev. to the OT and other literature is amazing.
RBeckom: Martel: RBeckom:Just saw the thread view count and could not let that number stand! So, BUMP! IF it was because it was at 666, I shake my head at the sad state of popular Biblical interpretation. First, because it's probably meant to be 616. Second, because it's just overblown in American Christianity. The symbolism just isn't as sinister or as deep as most people think it is. Check out these three posts from an expert on Asia Minor (location of the seven churches):http://richardoster.com/tag/gematria/It's kind of technical, but worth the 15 minutes.Sorry if I took this way too seriously. Sometimes the 666 reference is thrown out in jest, but I've seen it taken WAYyyyyyy too seriously.Every one has their belief on that particular number, I would not let it stand for my reasons, for others who were offended by my bump, I apologize but certain numbers have a strong meaning to me, personally, so I did what I felt best. Again for me and for MY reasons.
Martel: RBeckom:Just saw the thread view count and could not let that number stand! So, BUMP! IF it was because it was at 666, I shake my head at the sad state of popular Biblical interpretation. First, because it's probably meant to be 616. Second, because it's just overblown in American Christianity. The symbolism just isn't as sinister or as deep as most people think it is. Check out these three posts from an expert on Asia Minor (location of the seven churches):http://richardoster.com/tag/gematria/It's kind of technical, but worth the 15 minutes.Sorry if I took this way too seriously. Sometimes the 666 reference is thrown out in jest, but I've seen it taken WAYyyyyyy too seriously.
RBeckom:Just saw the thread view count and could not let that number stand! So, BUMP!
roland_7707:Philippians 2:9-119. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10. That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under earth;11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Martel: roland_7707:Philippians 2:9-119. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10. That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under earth;11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Another verse I like to quibble about...I think Paul is God-centered more than Christ-centered (not to say they're mutually exclusive in Paul or anywhere else, but there is a distinction). There are all these songs that talk about "at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow," but I don't think that's what this verse says...I think it's saying that Jesus will be given a name...the name...which is above all names, that is the name of God, YHWH, which was always replaced with LORD when reading scripture aloud in the day. So, when Jesus is called by the name of God (not when he is called "Jesus"), every knee will bow, etc. because of the name of God. Not that its a huge point to most people, but Jesus always points to God the Father. This hymn is really powerful and deep stuff. Love it.
Puff_Dougie: Martel: roland_7707:Philippians 2:9-119. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10. That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under earth;11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Another verse I like to quibble about...I think Paul is God-centered more than Christ-centered (not to say they're mutually exclusive in Paul or anywhere else, but there is a distinction). There are all these songs that talk about "at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow," but I don't think that's what this verse says...I think it's saying that Jesus will be given a name...the name...which is above all names, that is the name of God, YHWH, which was always replaced with LORD when reading scripture aloud in the day. So, when Jesus is called by the name of God (not when he is called "Jesus"), every knee will bow, etc. because of the name of God. Not that its a huge point to most people, but Jesus always points to God the Father. This hymn is really powerful and deep stuff. Love it. I get your theological point here... but the verse actually says, "at the name of Jesus" (i.e. Iesus). Your interpretive point still stands, in that Iesus is the Greek form of "Joshua," meaning YHWH is Salvation. But it's not that He will be given a name above all names, but that He has already been given that name... Jesus=YHWH is Salvation.
RBeckom: Puff_Dougie: RBeckom:I found your book, but sadly for now can not afford it, but it is on my list. Package in the mail tomorrow, sir. Blessings to you!Your kindness will be rewarded with an in-depth analysis from what I learn from your teachings from me directly to you. Thank you good Sir.
Puff_Dougie: RBeckom:I found your book, but sadly for now can not afford it, but it is on my list. Package in the mail tomorrow, sir. Blessings to you!
RBeckom:I found your book, but sadly for now can not afford it, but it is on my list.
Puff_Dougie: RBeckom:I found your book, but sadly for now can not afford it, but it is on my list. PM your addy, Rodney. I've got an extra copy I can send you.
RBeckom:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; 3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; 4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. 5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. 1 Thess 1:2-5 (KJV)