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@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 said:

@Amos_Umwhat said:

@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 said:
Someday, I will come to possess the intellect to debate @Vision and @VegasFrank Until then, I will hide behind my keyboard and lob pot shots.

Two very different proposals. Frank drops anchor around his facts and then mounts a logical defense of the facts as he believes them to be. If one can prove his facts to be untrue, or if one demonstrates that his logic is faulty he will retreat, re-evaluate, and possibly concede.

Vision believes that the narrative is controlled by emotion, see last page. This is a position which usually wins the day in public opinion, so, there's that.

@Amos_Umwhat my post was a tongue in cheek crack at these two. I’m sure they took it as I intended. 🥸

I knew it was, I'm sure they did, and I probably should have included a self assessment.

My sister tells me that people don't know how to take me sometimes. I am often perceived as serious when I'm not being serious, and that's "in person" instead of this 2 dimensional format. Usually, especially here, I'm not being serious. The above remark was semi-serious at best.

Vision's remark on the previous page about emotion controlling the narrative put me to thinking about our recent debate, argument, and the difference between him and Frank in these debates. I admit to being triggered on that one, initially because of Frank's comment that the Founding Fathers lacked the "balls" to accomplish something. Really? The guys who took a rag-tag army of farmers and shopkeepers up against the greatest military might on the planet, and won, lacked balls? Etc.

Alcohol sometimes intensifies rather than depresses an emotional response, so, there's that.

I never have a problem debating Frank, for exactly the reasons I stated. At the Tennessee herf I told the guys that I wished I could be at the Milwaukee herf, if only to meet Frank. My exact words were: "He's as bad as I am". With Frank, I know I might win, or lose the argument / debate, no problem. Facts and logic will dictate the outcome, and either he or I will admit to it.

Something in Pete's tone, as I perceive it, comes across to me as being the same Woke crap I hear from one of my sisters. That sets me on edge to start with. Completely my fault, I know, but I sometimes don't pick up on that right away and I end up superimposing her beliefs on to Pete. My bad. Then it seems very much that Pete constantly moves the target, denies that what he said meant what he said, and he denies even the most apparent of proven facts. Again, possibly just the way I take it, but frustrating nonetheless.

So, in the end, it feels like me and Frank disagreeing might be compared to Hamilton Berger and Perry Mason, with Frank and I taking first one role and then the other. I may win the argument, or I may learn something I didn't know before and change my opinion. When Pete and I disagree, it feels more like Elmer Fudd vs. Bugs Bunny. Sure, Elmer's got a shotgun that should take the rabbit right out, but Bugs ties the barrel in a knot and walks away. Impossible. Very frustrating for Elmer.

There are a couple things I take seriously, God, and Country. Attacks on either can and often will trigger me. Pretty much everything else is fair game. That's who I am.

As far as your own intellect, Jeff, it's not in question. I knew that you were simply being facetious, and took it as such. Please forgive me if you took my remarks in any other way, I assure you that I did not think that you lacked the intelligence to debate anyone, at any time, in any way. Quite the opposite.

@Vision , I hope you have read this far and understand that I accept most of the responsibility for the rancor to be found in some of our exchanges. Please forgive me if I've misunderstood you, or your intentions.

Lastly, a word on opinions. No opinion is worth anything unless it's factual, true, and based in logic. At least, that's my opinion. I place no value in my opinion, as such, until in meets those criteria. Thus, my opinion is always subject to change, but not for emotion.

I replaced the pulsator plate in my LG top-loading washing machine. The nut that connects to the agitator had become stripped of all the grooves that grip the teeth.

Hodag country fest time!
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Passing the torch...I don't go anymore because i dont think i would survive but i have 4 boys going.
Looks to me like I'll have a crowd here later.

Troubleshooting the shop phone.

Sitting here looking out where
an old camper was sitting yesterday, hope whoever stole it is burns in Hell.

@peter4jc said:
I'll say happy birthday just so John has to say thank you a third time.

Happy Birthday, John!

Gotta tag him too so he has extra notifications @IndustMech