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  • silvermouse
    silvermouse Posts: 23,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Knowing if you’re awake seems simple. Why has it vexed philosophers for centuries?
    Knowing what separates wakeful reality from dream states seems rather simple on its surface. After all, even if a dream feels quite real in the moment, it’s unbound from continuity and the natural laws of our (presumed) waking lives. Yet proving that you’re awake, rather than just intuiting it, has been a perilous task for philosophers across the centuries. Beginning with the ancient Chinese philosopher Zhuang Zhou’s famed butterfly dream, this TED-Ed animation tackles how thinkers from Al-Ghazali in medieval Persia, to René Descartes and Thomas Hobbes in 17th-century France and England, to neuroscientists today have approached the question of whether we can ever truly know we’re awake.

    https://aeon.co/videos/knowing-if-youre-awake-seems-simple-why-has-it-vexed-philosophers-for-centuries

  • Hobbes86
    Hobbes86 Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does it really matter if we are or not?

    "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17

  • webmost
    webmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @silvermouse said:
    Knowing if you’re awake seems simple. Why has it vexed philosophers for centuries?
    Knowing what separates wakeful reality from dream states seems rather simple on its surface. After all, even if a dream feels quite real in the moment, it’s unbound from continuity and the natural laws of our (presumed) waking lives. Yet proving that you’re awake, rather than just intuiting it, has been a perilous task for philosophers across the centuries. Beginning with the ancient Chinese philosopher Zhuang Zhou’s famed butterfly dream, this TED-Ed animation tackles how thinkers from Al-Ghazali in medieval Persia, to René Descartes and Thomas Hobbes in 17th-century France and England, to neuroscientists today have approached the question of whether we can ever truly know we’re awake.

    https://aeon.co/videos/knowing-if-youre-awake-seems-simple-why-has-it-vexed-philosophers-for-centuries

    Watched this with interest. But all I got out of it is that philosophers often obfuscate the obvious. They need to wake up and get over their iIrrational ratiocination.

    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • silvermouse
    silvermouse Posts: 23,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    livin' the dream

  • webmost
    webmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • Hobbes86
    Hobbes86 Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17

  • ShawnOL
    ShawnOL Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That was **** hilarious, Ian.

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  • Hobbes86
    Hobbes86 Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ShawnOL said:
    That was **** hilarious, Ian.

    It made me laugh a few times!

    "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17

  • Jrflickster
    Jrflickster Posts: 4,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was silly but I think you might need a part time job bud...love you

  • Itsfine
    Itsfine Posts: 20,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones. 
  • ShawnOL
    ShawnOL Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1 why didn't the suv stop right away?
    2 surprised the corvette wasn't damaged worse.
    Smh

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  • d_blades
    d_blades Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Would have been funny if the SUV would have backed up into him after stopping.

    Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.

  • Yakster
    Yakster Posts: 31,570 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Privada Club dude

    https://youtu.be/o8x49x8O2fQ

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  • Yakster
    Yakster Posts: 31,570 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I apologize for the horrible video above. It's like a chain letter, someone showed it to me and it was bad so I showed it to you. Don't break the chain or all your Privada cigars will be plugged.

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  • ShawnOL
    ShawnOL Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, it was bad. Didn't get halfway through it.

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  • Yakster
    Yakster Posts: 31,570 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • webmost
    webmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Green

    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • webmost
    webmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • Itsfine
    Itsfine Posts: 20,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool ^

    And on a stupider scale:
    https://youtu.be/iHzzSao6ypE

    @ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones. 
  • CharlieHeis
    CharlieHeis Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I actually saw a better video from a boat on fb but don't know how to share it so I found this on the twatter

  • webmost
    webmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • webmost
    webmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • peter4jc
    peter4jc Posts: 18,142 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "I could've had a Mi Querida!"   Nick Bardis
  • ShawnOL
    ShawnOL Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But did he put the lime in it?

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  • Hobbes86
    Hobbes86 Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17

  • Yakster
    Yakster Posts: 31,570 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now I know what would happen if Pete and Peter took a road trip.

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  • webmost
    webmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)