Build a machine for it. Hell, I could build a trigger pulling machine for probably 100 bucks. Still cheaper than the cost of deportation. Make it pressure activated, once they are sat in the chair it goes off.
3 strike rule is not a nationwide thing. That's a California thing. And I'm sure some other west coast states followed. Florida doesn't have it, neither does federal law. The problem with anything government is how long it takes anything to get done. That's why I can't imagine why anyone would want the federal government involved in anything let alone healthcare. The federal government has way to many beuracracies and redundancies.
"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form." -- Winston Churchill "LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
You're deflecting the question. Would you be willing to be the executioner?
100% Willing to end 1000's of lives? No. No-one should be willing for such a thing. Given the right day and mood I'm probably between 20-40% willing to pull the trigger. As an abstract, I don't mind the deed. But I know looking someone in the eyes and doing so would tear me apart. Especially someone who hasn't directly injured anything more than my wallet. Money comes and goes.
But there needs to be a solution, is mine harsh? Yes. But it would work better than what we do now and save the country BILLIONS of dollars. Which could go to Healthcare or education even which are far more important than wasting it on people who don't respect the laws of this land.
Now, I'm not for big government, or runaway redundanies, but... when the money spends money on deportation, it's not like the money goes 'poof' and is no more; it goes into the pockets of federal agents who spend the money on houses, cars, vacations, education, etc. Granted, it would better that the government left the money in the hands of us taxpayers, or spent it in a better way. But it's still not just disappearing into thin air.
You're deflecting the question. Would you be willing to be the executioner?
100% Willing to end 1000's of lives? No. No-one should be willing for such a thing. Given the right day and mood I'm probably between 20-40% willing to pull the trigger. As an abstract, I don't mind the deed. But I know looking someone in the eyes and doing so would tear me apart. Especially someone who hasn't directly injured anything more than my wallet. Money comes and goes.
But there needs to be a solution, is mine harsh? Yes. But it would work better than what we do now and save the country BILLIONS of dollars. Which could go to Healthcare or education even which are far more important than wasting it on people who don't respect the laws of this land.
You're deflecting the question. Would you be willing to be the executioner?
100% Willing to end 1000's of lives? No. No-one should be willing for such a thing. Given the right day and mood I'm probably between 20-40% willing to pull the trigger. As an abstract, I don't mind the deed. But I know looking someone in the eyes and doing so would tear me apart. Especially someone who hasn't directly injured anything more than my wallet. Money comes and goes.
But there needs to be a solution, is mine harsh? Yes. But it would work better than what we do now and save the country BILLIONS of dollars. Which could go to Healthcare or education even which are far more important than wasting it on people who don't respect the laws of this land.
Have you considered increasing you meds 20-40%? Just so I fully understand, your mood and day of the week are directly variable to whether you could murder a person?
Friends don't let good friends smoke cheap cigars.
3 strike rule is not a nationwide thing. That's a California thing. And I'm sure some other west coast states followed. Florida doesn't have it, neither does federal law. The problem with anything government is how long it takes anything to get done. That's why I can't imagine why anyone would want the federal government involved in anything let alone healthcare. The federal government has way to many beuracracies and redundancies.
More states than you think. The states with 3 strikes laws are; Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin.
I tend to forget, you can make a generalization on this forum without being called out on it. My apologizes.
I'd be happy if they did away with the obummer care and put it all back the way it was, but since obummer started it, there is no putting the genie back in the bottle.
In Fumo Pax Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
You're deflecting the question. Would you be willing to be the executioner?
100% Willing to end 1000's of lives? No. No-one should be willing for such a thing. Given the right day and mood I'm probably between 20-40% willing to pull the trigger. As an abstract, I don't mind the deed. But I know looking someone in the eyes and doing so would tear me apart. Especially someone who hasn't directly injured anything more than my wallet. Money comes and goes.
But there needs to be a solution, is mine harsh? Yes. But it would work better than what we do now and save the country BILLIONS of dollars. Which could go to Healthcare or education even which are far more important than wasting it on people who don't respect the laws of this land.
Have you considered increasing you meds 20-40%? Just so I fully understand, your mood and day of the week are directly variable to whether you could murder a person?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Well with the way I see it. No. It's punishment for crimes against our country. And if this became the punishment for such crimes, then it would not be murder. It would be state sanctioned. Also known as Capital Punishment.
The fact I have to teach you the difference between cold blooded murder and punishment for ones crimes is quite sad. Might I suggest a dictionary be the next book you pick up and read?
Ease off guys. He's just frustrated. Lots of people are. People say things when they get frustrated.
“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
It is punishable by a fine and a prison sentence not to exceed six months. There are 41 federally recognized crimes that are punishable by death, and none of them are as trivial as illegal entry into the United States.
I agree that there needs to be immigration reform, but imposing the death penalty for illegal entry into the country would be barbaric. This is a complex issue where there are no easy answers. There was a time when crimes like theft, burglary, and money counterfeiting were punishable by death, but instead of deterring crime it tended to escalate violent reactions by the perpetrator.
I am not trying to antagonize you, but I hope you understand why people have reacted negatively to your suggestion.
The prob is not one guy losing patience & saying shoot `em. The prob is an administration that refused to enforce the law you just cited abetted by a congress too useless to do anything about it.
Without voter fraud, without votes bought with the public dime, without pitting class against class and race against race, the Democratic party would be irrelevant.
“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
3 strike rule is not a nationwide thing. That's a California thing. And I'm sure some other west coast states followed. Florida doesn't have it, neither does federal law. The problem with anything government is how long it takes anything to get done. That's why I can't imagine why anyone would want the federal government involved in anything let alone healthcare. The federal government has way to many beuracracies and redundancies.
More states than you think. The states with 3 strikes laws are; Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin.
I tend to forget, you can make a generalization on this forum without being called out on it. My apologizes.
I'd be happy if they did away with the obummer care and put it all back the way it was, but since obummer started it, there is no putting the genie back in the bottle.
Florida is definitely not a 3 strike state. So based off that list I don't know how many actually are. Either way it doesn't matter. I don't support 3 strike rule anyway.
"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form." -- Winston Churchill "LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
3 strike rule is not a nationwide thing. That's a California thing. And I'm sure some other west coast states followed. Florida doesn't have it, neither does federal law. The problem with anything government is how long it takes anything to get done. That's why I can't imagine why anyone would want the federal government involved in anything let alone healthcare. The federal government has way to many beuracracies and redundancies.
More states than you think. The states with 3 strikes laws are; Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin.
I tend to forget, you can make a generalization on this forum without being called out on it. My apologizes.
I'd be happy if they did away with the obummer care and put it all back the way it was, but since obummer started it, there is no putting the genie back in the bottle.
Florida is definitely not a 3 strike state. So based off that list I don't know how many actually are. Either way it doesn't matter. I don't support 3 strike rule anyway.
The prob is not one guy losing patience & saying shoot `em. The prob is an administration that refused to enforce the law you just cited abetted by a congress too useless to do anything about it.
Without voter fraud, without votes bought with the public dime, without pitting class against class and race against race, the Democratic party would be irrelevant.
This whole argument is so sad. People all across the country getting really angry.
You know why this argument and 1000s like it are taking place? Or have you forgotten?
Votes Votes Votes And no voter ID.
Anything to get a vote. Put your anger there. Enforce the laws and this arguments dies.
No, that is too simple, and they would not get the votes. So on they will go, living in their gated communities, oblivious to their stupidity. And sooner or later there will be a major incident and the democrats will say "not our fault".
'According to Homeland Security, the attackers only got into the systems of a handful of states despite targeting almost two dozen. *In some cases, like in Illinois,* the attackers altered voters' records and got away with their sensitive details, but investigators didn't find any evidence that they tampered with actual voting machines. Office of Intelligence and Analysis Cyber Division acting director Samuel Liles once said, however, that the attackers might not have altered vote counts, because their real purpose was to look for vulnerabilities to exploit.'
DHS finally reveals the states Russia hacked during the elections
State officials finally know if they serve one of the 21 states Russia tried to hack during the 2016 Presidential elections.
@Bob_Luken I wasn't replying to that. I was replying to the comment about the forefathers.
As for execution. I'm not for it, but not exactly against it for any criminals. 3 strikes in this country means life in prison. The problem is, are we going to put thousands of illegal immigrants in our prison system for life because they have been caught doing illegal things 3 times? At who's cost?
Do you send them back to their country, where depending on the country, they will be released to do it all over again?
How do you break the cycle?
As for "Let's talk about today", tell that to the rest of the nation tearing down monuments and statues and all that. I agree. The past should be left in the past, but it shouldn't be forgotten either. Those things should be a constant reminder of how things were, so we don't make those same mistakes again.
I don't know the answers, but I do know that in the historical comparisons of all great civilizations, the US is on the downhill slope of collapse. A nation divided is a nation failing and we are. Our nation can't even get their $hit together on health care, how do they expect to get immigration solved?
@0patience I'd like to withdraw my question/statement. I know it's too late for that now, but if I could, I would. It was pretty $hitty of me to drag you into it. I was rude to ask you to respond directly to his crazy idea. He's the one who said it, not you.
The prob is not one guy losing patience & saying shoot `em. The prob is an administration that refused to enforce the law you just cited abetted by a congress too useless to do anything about it.
Without voter fraud, without votes bought with the public dime, without pitting class against class and race against race, the Democratic party would be irrelevant.
I don't understand why so many conversations devolve into a game of finger pointing. It is not as if Obama placed a moratorium on deportations, and in fact the administration deported more illegal immigrants than the Trump administration has during the same time period.
Also, correct me if I am wrong but we currently have a Republican administration and a Republican majority in Congress. As for the voter fraud issue there have been no credible accounts of even moderate voter fraud in modern history. The Russians may have hacked 21 states in the previous election, but there is no evidence that they actually interfered with the results.
@Bob_Luken I wasn't replying to that. I was replying to the comment about the forefathers.
As for execution. I'm not for it, but not exactly against it for any criminals. 3 strikes in this country means life in prison. The problem is, are we going to put thousands of illegal immigrants in our prison system for life because they have been caught doing illegal things 3 times? At who's cost?
Do you send them back to their country, where depending on the country, they will be released to do it all over again?
How do you break the cycle?
As for "Let's talk about today", tell that to the rest of the nation tearing down monuments and statues and all that. I agree. The past should be left in the past, but it shouldn't be forgotten either. Those things should be a constant reminder of how things were, so we don't make those same mistakes again.
I don't know the answers, but I do know that in the historical comparisons of all great civilizations, the US is on the downhill slope of collapse. A nation divided is a nation failing and we are. Our nation can't even get their $hit together on health care, how do they expect to get immigration solved?
@0patience I'd like to withdraw my question/statement. I know it's too late for that now, but if I could, I would. It was pretty $hitty of me to drag you into it. I was rude to ask you to respond directly to his crazy idea. He's the one who said it, not you.
I tell you how to fix. On 3rd strike, U put explosive device inside body. Body blows up if they cross border. Someone try to remove device they blow up. If they no cross border they ok. Their fate is then in their hands. Don't u watch Mission Impossible?
Mass shooting in a church and the media couldn't care less. Usually they'd be all over this, non-stop like starving dogs.
It's a good thing for them we are all easily distracted by the Trump'ed up NFL crisis.
I think the media folks really just want to be good teachers to us. But this Sudanese immigrant mass shooter story isn't useful for one of their teachable moments. They got nothin' to work with here. Class dismissed.
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You're deflecting the question. Would you be willing to be the executioner?
-- Winston Churchill
"LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
But there needs to be a solution, is mine harsh? Yes. But it would work better than what we do now and save the country BILLIONS of dollars. Which could go to Healthcare or education even which are far more important than wasting it on people who don't respect the laws of this land.
@USAF06,
I think your idea is insane.
Just so I fully understand, your mood and day of the week are directly variable to whether you could murder a person?
The states with 3 strikes laws are;
Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin.
I tend to forget, you can make a generalization on this forum without being called out on it. My apologizes.
I'd be happy if they did away with the obummer care and put it all back the way it was, but since obummer started it, there is no putting the genie back in the bottle.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
Well with the way I see it. No. It's punishment for crimes against our country. And if this became the punishment for such crimes, then it would not be murder. It would be state sanctioned. Also known as Capital Punishment.
The fact I have to teach you the difference between cold blooded murder and punishment for ones crimes is quite sad. Might I suggest a dictionary be the next book you pick up and read?
It is punishable by a fine and a prison sentence not to exceed six months. There are 41 federally recognized crimes that are punishable by death, and none of them are as trivial as illegal entry into the United States.
https://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004927
I agree that there needs to be immigration reform, but imposing the death penalty for illegal entry into the country would be barbaric. This is a complex issue where there are no easy answers. There was a time when crimes like theft, burglary, and money counterfeiting were punishable by death, but instead of deterring crime it tended to escalate violent reactions by the perpetrator.
I am not trying to antagonize you, but I hope you understand why people have reacted negatively to your suggestion.
Without voter fraud, without votes bought with the public dime, without pitting class against class and race against race, the Democratic party would be irrelevant.
-- Winston Churchill
"LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
These are Tampa criminal lawyers, so I'm assuming they know their law?
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
People all across the country getting really angry.
You know why this argument and 1000s like it are taking place?
Or have you forgotten?
Votes Votes Votes
And no voter ID.
Anything to get a vote.
Put your anger there.
Enforce the laws and this arguments dies.
No, that is too simple, and they would not get the votes. So on they will go, living in their gated communities, oblivious to their stupidity. And sooner or later there will be a major incident and the democrats will say "not our fault".
I don't understand why so many conversations devolve into a game of finger pointing. It is not as if Obama placed a moratorium on deportations, and in fact the administration deported more illegal immigrants than the Trump administration has during the same time period.
Also, correct me if I am wrong but we currently have a Republican administration and a Republican majority in Congress. As for the voter fraud issue there have been no credible accounts of even moderate voter fraud in modern history. The Russians may have hacked 21 states in the previous election, but there is no evidence that they actually interfered with the results.
What my opinions tend to lead to....
'Decapitated body' is really Halloween decoration, Tennessee police say
Hillary blames young women for her 2016 loss
That covers every gender, race, religion and status as far as I can tell. Has the **** blamed herself yet? Or has the **** left some demographic out?
3100 lbs.......not so much.
What you can't forgive......you will become.
Usually they'd be all over this, non-stop like starving dogs.
It's a good thing for them we are all easily distracted by the Trump'ed up NFL crisis.
I think the media folks really just want to be good teachers to us. But this Sudanese immigrant mass shooter story isn't useful for one of their teachable moments. They got nothin' to work with here. Class dismissed.
http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/revealed-sunday-church-attack-first-mass-shooting-medias-not-interested