Crappy Cigars

BigDaddy

I normally smoke Montecriso's or Baccarats but I took a chance on a new cigar because of the flavor description. I won a bid off of Bids.com for Vegas 5 and Dominican Cream... What a bad decision. The DC's, although they taste descent,are way soft and the burn is far from razor sharp. They never stay lit. The Vegas 5's have a taste like nothing I've tasted as of yet. Holy cow these cigars are bad. 
Hs anyone else experienced this from these cigars?

Wylaff

5v is generally considered a reliable cheap stick. Are you smoking them ROTT? They are definitely stronger than the Macanudos though. Which 5v is it?

Also welcome.

Yakster

The 5 Vegas cigars shouldn't be soft and have burn issues, maybe you have a humidification issue where the cigars are too moist and don't burn well?  Some of the 5 Vegas cigars are pretty good for their price like the AAA.

I saw your other thread on your humidor, I'd put the cigars in a Ziplok for now with Boveda packs if you have them until you get your humidor under control.  You can also "dry box" the cigar you plan to smoke today or over the next couple of days by putting them in an unhumidified box, that should help with the burn issues and flavor.

BigDaddy

Not familiar with ROTT. 

Yakster
V5s are not the ones soft. Just don't taste that good. 
Ill take the cigars out. Thanks for the info. 

Wylaff

ROTT is right off the truck. It means did you allow them to sit in a humi and acclimate for a while, or did you immediately light it up?

BigDaddy

Thanks for the clarification...  Yes. They sat for 3-4 days. 

peter4jc

In that case we need to add the qualifier, "for my palate"... There is always the outside chance that they are not crappy cigars, but they simply do not match your desired flavor profile. 

Lee.mcglynn

I agree completely with @peter4jc especially since I think what you like is really crap! I'm sorry to be blunt but there are far more better cigars on the market. I'm sure your new to cigars but IMO montes,Romeos,uppman, partagas and the rest of the Cuban named companies only stay in business because of well the name. The blends are eh or at best par...then you go with baccarat a sweet tip...I think you need to find what you really truly like in a cigar. Maybe DE acids may suit you the best. But really the only crap cigar is the one you don't like. Try more! Take notes! But don't trash stuff until you can back it up 

Patrickbrick

^^^ I agree with this.  I am someone who will try any cigar at least once, if it tastes like **** I won't try another.  There are too many different cigars available to get stuck on one or two, at least in my opinion.

BigDaddy

Oh great...  So Lee.mcglynn you're one of those guys... A big mouth behind a screen. Your comments are uncalled for. Have some class like peter4jc has. At least he can disagree respectfully. 

Thanks peterj4c for your comment. Because I'm new to this, you're probably right. 

kswildcat

3 or 4 days is not long enough to acclimate. What of the seven blends of 5vegas are you talking about? IMO the only real good 1 ROTT is the AAA. Let them sit 6 months and they damn good.. I smoke a lot of 5vegas but my palate and yours may be different. 

kswildcat

It takes 2 to 3 weeks to acclimate.... If you're new you will need to find good ROTT  sticks until you build up your stock 

Usaf06

BigDaddy said:

Oh great...  So Lee.mcglynn you're one of those guys... A big mouth behind a screen. Your comments are uncalled for. Have some class like peter4jc has. At least he can disagree respectfully. 

Thanks peterj4c for your comment. Because I'm new to this, you're probably right. 

What he said is true. The cigars you said you did like are considered by most as crap. He may have been brash but true. If you need some ideas on some new ones to try check out the threads that show what people are smoking. Now not everyone has the same palate but you will learn yours. 

Crisius

BigDaddy said:

Oh great...  So Lee.mcglynn you're one of those guys... A big mouth behind a screen. Your comments are uncalled for. Have some class like peter4jc has. At least he can disagree respectfully.

Wow, you are off to a great start Little Daddy. I quite like 5 Vegas myself, you are always welcome to ship them to me if you don't want them. lol

Wylaff

Lee's a ****, but he's our **** 

seriously though, you gotta let things roll off your back if your gonna be on the Internet.

0patience

Monte's and Baccarat's are ok to start off with (been known to smoke them myself, because options were limited), but as your tastes develope, you will find yourself sampling other types of cigars.

But if you get harshness from a cigar, try it again later with some rest on them. If it still isn't to your liking after a couple months, then move on.

My opinion is there is no crappy cigar (ok, Zoidians are up there), just cigars you don't care for.
But that's just my opinion, which doesn't account for squat.

Yakster

Wylaff said:

Lee's a ****, but he's our **** 

seriously though, you gotta let things roll off your back if your gonna be on the Internet.

This! Things get boring without some ribbing, this is a community.

BigDaddy

All of this sounds like great advise.  The V5s were Vegas 5 no.1.. I will let them set awhile longer. Not used to online shipments with cigars.  I usually buy straight from the cigar shop. Buy it and smoke it.  I knew I had a lot to learn, and I'm learning everyday there is so much more to learn. That's why I got into this. 
So far, my palate doesn't like the pop rock spicy zing. I'm more into the smooth, creamy, coco and a slight pepper at the finish. Don't really pick up earth or leathery taste yet. I hear about them, but I don't get those yet. So far I'm not too crazy about Nicaraguans so far. Although I did like the Drew Estate Undercrown. Smoked like a chimney and good. 
Dont really like the hard buzz either. 

BigDaddy

Oh... And I liked the Gurkha Legend XO..  Really good. 
I just bought the Gurkha Legend Vintage 2001 XO. Can't wait to smoke that. 
I want to age a LaGloria N6.  Any tried any of these and are they good ones to age?

kswildcat

That would be the 5 Vegas gold.. I've only smoked 1 and it was gifted to me by George @The3Stogies, not sure the age on it but I let it rest a couple weeks and thought it was good. If you don't care for pepper, spice you may not like the AAA. You however may like the A.. The Miami is another 5 Vegas you may like.

Going by your post I would recommend crowned heads four kicks. Pretty good stick and can often be had on at really reasonable price.. A great cigar I'm fairly positive you would like and be great for aging is AF signiture Hemingway, but they are a bit pricey.. 

2 sticks I always recommend to newbies are the tat tattoo and flor de los antilles.. Both are very good sticks that age well in my opinion and can often be had really reasonable price. 

Crisius

BigDaddy said:

 Although I did like the Drew Estate Undercrown. Smoked like a chimney and good. Dont really like the hard buzz either. 

The Undercrown Shade (white band) is much better. Good creamy smoke and not the hard buzz afterward. I liked the flavor of Undercrown, but hated the hard buzz. Loved the Undercrown Shade all the way around.

kswildcat

I recommend buying 5 packs. If it's a new to you cigar try 1 ROTT, make a note on what you think. If you don't like it much give it 2 to 3 weeks and try again and make a note, then 6 months.. Chances are after 6 months if you don't like it you won't like it..  I usually don't buy boxes until I burn thru 2  5packs, unless I run across a stupid crazy deal.

Not a cheap hobby, and takes some patience. Another tip is pay attention to what the vets are smoking on the what you smoking threads and make a list to try and develop patience for the right deal to ease the wallet pain.

BigDaddy

 All great advise.  Thank you very much for taking the time to respond. 
So, I guess there are no crappy cigars, just different palates. 

silvermouse

Oh, I've got some crappy cigars, a couple of boxes of Buena Vista come to mind--taste OK but so tightly rolled that even a draw poker can't help them.

Bob_Luken

I have a friend here on the forum who is very adamant about saying certain cigars are just plain crap. (You know who you are.) But, I disagree with him on some cigars. And it's all OK. If you (or me) like a certain budget cigar because it's priced low enough and tastes good enough, by all means buy a box. There's something in that cigar you appreciate. Final note, don't buy budget sticks blind, and don't smoke any stick shipped to you without a few weeks rest.  

The3Stogies

Smoked a few Vegas 5's, the Gold's are good ROTT or with a little rest on them, not good for aging in my opinion.  Classics are still one of my favorites, with some rest and aging they are really good.  Same for the Miami and the A, AAA's, you want to age them a little too.  Never had a DC but if they're mild rest and aging probably didn't help them.

BigDaddy

Thanks Bob. 
I know how some feel about Montecriso's and Baccarats, but I like them. Montecristo was one of my first cigars and I loved them. But at $9-$10 a stick I had to find an everyday smoke. The baccarat label caught my I and reviews seemed to be per my taste and at $2-$5 a stick I had to try them. But the baccarat maduro belicoso has become my favorite one. 

Just trying to to learn without being slammed. Thanks again for the advise gents. 

skydiverD

The list is near endless for budget priced sticks.  You will find some you like and some you don't.  When I first stared that was all I bought.  Most of the times in samplers, making notes on ones I liked and ones I didn't.  Samplers are a great way to go, and can even be bought grouped by strength, etc.  Also, if you haven't already, pop into the newbie welcome thread and intro yourself.  Then also into the newbie trade thread and ask for vet to sponsor you in a trade.  Give that person an idea of your preferred profile and they will likely be able to send you an assortment of goodies to try. (You do have to send yours first).  This also gets you on the good traders list.  Lastly, smoke what you like, regardless of the others opinions are on them.  Couple of my fav inexpensive smokes:  CAO Brazilia, La Perla Habana Morado, Brickhouse, Oliva O to start.  Enjoy your foray into this relaxing hobby.

And a thick skin is crucial around here.  LOL.  Otherwise, with Nick always disagreeing with my posts would have broken me by now....

Lee.mcglynn

Sorry for the rough welcome to the forums! I blame bourbon but I still stand behind what I posted. I was lucky enough to have some really excellent cigars starting off which help narrow down what I prefer. These days with work I'm so dang busy I might get 4 cigars in a week. Since I have the no time problem I've just gone with the more high end cigars since I just want a really good treat that I can rely on. Yes there are great budget sticks but it's a long ride of trial and error! Also in the hotter monthes you can never tell what the cigar really is up until about two to three months of rest. My suggestion is buy from a b&m if you want to try them right away. Yes they don't have the biggest selections but that's something for another time. Also you should do a search through all the info on here since there is a ton of great stuff! @Bob_Luken yeah I know we tend to clash but that's what makes it a forum! If we all agreed it would be rather boring don't ya think?

GrouchoM

Wait I thought Monticristos were a well respected smoke? What'd  I miss? Also,while not amazing, I smoked a few Baccarats my first month in, due to them being smaller, cheaper and ones that wouldn't overwhelm my palate.

Huh, we'll I was never one to smoke premiums when I started this cigar journey,  just funny to find this out by hearing you guys speak not so favorably of those two sticks. The more I learn, the more I realize I'm just a truck driver with an opinion (no offense KS wildcat you're a big truck driving man, there's a difference).

Sigh...I need a nap.

Usaf06

GrouchoM said:

Wait I thought Monticristos were a well respected smoke? What'd  I miss? Also,while not amazing, I smoked a few Baccarats my first month in, due to them being smaller, cheaper and ones that wouldn't overwhelm my palate.

Huh, we'll I was never one to smoke premiums when I started this cigar journey,  just funny to find this out by hearing you guys speak not so favorably of those two sticks. The more I learn, the more I realize I'm just a truck driver with an opinion (no offense KS wildcat you're a big truck driving man, there's a difference).

Sigh...I need a nap.

Like Lee said earlier in the thread all the cigars named after there Cuban counterpart are only in business because of the names.