Well, the Cancel Culture tactics are wearing out, people were starting to catch on.
When you get to the bottom you go back to the top of the slide, and then you go for a ride. We're all bozo's on this bus.
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Sorry, on reflection I conclude that I'm being flippant when this is actually serious.
There's a Zen Koan: "When is a white horse not a white horse?"
So:
When is a salute not a salute?
I fear what you fear, @silvermouse , @Vision . I have always been leery of The Donald, and I share your anxiety about him. I have for a long time, ever since he took up Hillary's "birther" claims against then candidate Obama and ran with them.
Here's the thing: While I fear Trumps possible intentions and aspirations, I've come to realize that the Democrats have already achieved most, if not all of those things that I fear. They have controlled the media into distortion of truth, controlled academia into refuting obvious science in favor of pandering to certain hedonistic deviances, controlled the public mind into believing utter nonsense, and I'm tired of it.
They've done all this with such deft and subtle machinations and manipulations that even educated and intelligent people such as yourselves, and myself as well, have bought into it and believed their nonsense.
Not that Trump is much better, or better at all. His obsession with the border is pretty scary, but there are things about the border that are even scarier if we sit and do nothing. His tariffs? Probably too little too late. The list goes on.
Did you see Bernie Sanders comments about the inauguration speech? Bernie called out the lack of attention to some very real and very present problems. He sees what's wrong quite clearly. Unfortunately, his solutions are terrible. Raise minimum wage? I've been victim of that all my life. Every time they raise the minimum wage it costs the middle and lower classes more than the tiny momentary relief the raise brings. Raise it by 3 %? Prices go up 6 %, etc.
Perhaps I'm wrong, sorry for being flippant, but there it is.
The saddest thing of all, for the Democrats, is that they couldn't drop their agendas long enough to care enough about our country to find and back a genuine, serious candidate.
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@Amos_Umwhat if you did go through and watch both of the videos, of both Kamala and Elon, and you still believe those are even close to similar you're being disingenuous. I watched both of them and listened to both of them...... not even in the same Zip code.
Edit . I take you for an extremely smart man. There's no way I believe that you believe those are similar. Taking one frame and a photo and comparing it to a photo, but not looking at the entirety of the video...... again I think you're better and smarter than that.
Unless I'm the victim of a troll job, which would be awesome.
Well put @Amos_Umwhat. Flippant is a useful approach to the problem of politics being the antithesis of beneficial and egalitarian governance. Coming up with a cure for this shows no practical solution that I can see, short of a global lobotomy. Reminds me of this song that bombarded my childhood ears:
They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea!
Full disclosure, I did not watch the video of Kamala. My assumption is that it was simply a gesture on her part. I saw the Musk video, and I think he was simply trying to say "my heart goes out to this..." I do not believe the two to be similar to one another in any way.
The answer to the Zen koan, and to the question: "When is a salute not a salute?" is the same.
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@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 said:
Sometimes….people see what they want to see. Interpretation, of literally anything, is subjective.
And sometimes people choose not to see what they want not to see. For your statement to hold true the inverse must as well, correct?
You are both saying the same thing.
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@dirtdude said:
Trump is a Nàzi, we've heard it for years. Can't imagine why all those people voted for him.
He and Musk just reek of Socialism, don't they? Not a capitalist bone in their collective bodies. It's so obvious. National Socialists, for sure.
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You may not like Wiki... just go there and read on Musk. Read the "Personal actions, views, and social media usage". From there, if those answers don't align with your beliefs, read some places you trust. He's a pretty fvcked up dude. Supports China, Alt Far Right German Political Movement, Russia.... Good luck with this guy.
Either prediction is a safe one to make. What are the betting odds on a breakup between those two? The betting industry bets on everything. Somebody check that please.
Either prediction is a safe one to make. What are the betting odds on a breakup between those two? The betting industry bets on everything. Somebody check that please.
I believe you are correct. Whichever of you. It's a mad house, on both sides of the aisle. This, and the Democrats over-hyped reactions to everything, is why I said earlier that I couldn't vote for either of the presidential candidates. That brought me to my flippant state of mind above, leading to remarks like "we're all bozos on this bus".
Long ago, the Republicans were engaged in similar tactics against Obama, leading me to defend Mr. O against absurd attacks from the R's. I tried to point out that he'd given them plenty of ammunition to attack him on in real life, but they made stuff up anyway. Now the shoe is on the other foot. The "Salute" is a prime example of the hyperbolic attack syndrome.
So, way back then folks here believed me to be some sort of dyed-in-the-wool leftist, now some think I'm a Trumpsketeer, others will see me as a flipper-flopper, because I'm not on either side. Not that anyone really cares what side I'm on, I know that I'm not that important or anything, but I'm a person too and in the world of political freedom people get to speak their feelings, try to sway others to their "side".
Imagine a Venn diagram of sorts, 4 circles overlapping in a center. Left and Right are overlapping slightly side by side, Good overlaps the top and Evil at the bottom. I try to be the circle that is superimposed over this background, more to the top and including that which is Good that is found on the Left and Right. The nature of this scenario is that the Good must be supported by the circles on the Left and Right, or it will fall into Evil. If either of those circles gets too disproportionate to the other, Good falls and Evil rises.
So, I don't think of myself as a flip flopper, but rather as a part of whatever force brings equilibrium to the system in the direction of Good. Not that I think I'm going to make much difference, that would be too much ego for an introvert like me, I'm only responsible for being the best me that I can accomplish.
So, when people on whichever side of the spectrum start making the insane out of the mundane in their overheated accusations against the other side, like the "Salute", I try to bring it back to reality as I see it. And when I'm wrong try to see I'm wrong, and try to move back into the circle of Good, as best as I can perceive it.
Of course, my Youth was heavily influenced by MAD magazine, National Lampoon, and Zap Comix, and of course Firesign Theater, so sarcastic flippancy is my humorous, to me, way of dealing with serious subjects. Thus the warning seen below regarding persons dedicated to either the Left or the Right. I'm sure to offend if one is overly committed to one side or the other. Sorry about that, but not sorry enough to let either of those make my mind up for me.
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Oh, and Pete, you're right, Musk is indeed a weird dude. I have no idea what he'll do next.
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I mean, Musk is an all time weirdo. I have no idea what goes through that guys head or why he did that. Maybe he thought it was funny or mocking? All I know is that that's what a textbook Sieg Heil looks like, and he did it twice in a row.
@CalvinAndHobo said:
I mean, Musk is an all time weirdo. I have no idea what goes through that guys head or why he did that. Maybe he thought it was funny or mocking? All I know is that that's what a textbook Sieg Heil looks like, and he did it twice in a row.
I don't think he has naughtzi tendencies, but I thought when I first saw it that he might be trolling. I mean, he could have kept his palm up to make the gesture, but he did not.
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Not my idea of freedom. Hopefully the highly prized system of checks and balance will attenuate some of the Sturmabteilungen tactics.
The Trump administration has urged government employees to inform on each other in an effort to root out any attempts to hide diversity programs.
Well, thank God they didn't do that in World War II Germany.....
Well, the Cancel Culture tactics are wearing out, people were starting to catch on.
When you get to the bottom you go back to the top of the slide, and then you go for a ride. We're all bozo's on this bus.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Sorry, on reflection I conclude that I'm being flippant when this is actually serious.
There's a Zen Koan: "When is a white horse not a white horse?"
So:
When is a salute not a salute?
I fear what you fear, @silvermouse , @Vision . I have always been leery of The Donald, and I share your anxiety about him. I have for a long time, ever since he took up Hillary's "birther" claims against then candidate Obama and ran with them.
Here's the thing: While I fear Trumps possible intentions and aspirations, I've come to realize that the Democrats have already achieved most, if not all of those things that I fear. They have controlled the media into distortion of truth, controlled academia into refuting obvious science in favor of pandering to certain hedonistic deviances, controlled the public mind into believing utter nonsense, and I'm tired of it.
They've done all this with such deft and subtle machinations and manipulations that even educated and intelligent people such as yourselves, and myself as well, have bought into it and believed their nonsense.
Not that Trump is much better, or better at all. His obsession with the border is pretty scary, but there are things about the border that are even scarier if we sit and do nothing. His tariffs? Probably too little too late. The list goes on.
Did you see Bernie Sanders comments about the inauguration speech? Bernie called out the lack of attention to some very real and very present problems. He sees what's wrong quite clearly. Unfortunately, his solutions are terrible. Raise minimum wage? I've been victim of that all my life. Every time they raise the minimum wage it costs the middle and lower classes more than the tiny momentary relief the raise brings. Raise it by 3 %? Prices go up 6 %, etc.
Perhaps I'm wrong, sorry for being flippant, but there it is.
The saddest thing of all, for the Democrats, is that they couldn't drop their agendas long enough to care enough about our country to find and back a genuine, serious candidate.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
@Amos_Umwhat if you did go through and watch both of the videos, of both Kamala and Elon, and you still believe those are even close to similar you're being disingenuous. I watched both of them and listened to both of them...... not even in the same Zip code.
Edit . I take you for an extremely smart man. There's no way I believe that you believe those are similar. Taking one frame and a photo and comparing it to a photo, but not looking at the entirety of the video...... again I think you're better and smarter than that.
Unless I'm the victim of a troll job, which would be awesome.
Well put @Amos_Umwhat. Flippant is a useful approach to the problem of politics being the antithesis of beneficial and egalitarian governance. Coming up with a cure for this shows no practical solution that I can see, short of a global lobotomy. Reminds me of this song that bombarded my childhood ears:
They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea!
Full disclosure, I did not watch the video of Kamala. My assumption is that it was simply a gesture on her part. I saw the Musk video, and I think he was simply trying to say "my heart goes out to this..." I do not believe the two to be similar to one another in any way.
The answer to the Zen koan, and to the question: "When is a salute not a salute?" is the same.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Sometimes….people see what they want to see. Interpretation, of literally anything, is subjective.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
And sometimes people choose not to see what they want not to see. For your statement to hold true the inverse must as well, correct?
You are both saying the same thing.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
That's the point.
I saw the video and the whole crazy thing he did and I heard what he said. And I’ll argue against anyone who says otherwise.
Same Same. As the great philosopher @VegasFrank says ‘semantics’ 😉
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
Trump is a Nàzi, we've heard it for years. Can't imagine why all those people voted for him.
He and Musk just reek of Socialism, don't they? Not a capitalist bone in their collective bodies. It's so obvious. National Socialists, for sure.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
He is for and supports Universal Basic Income..... Socialism at its finest my friend.
You may not like Wiki... just go there and read on Musk. Read the "Personal actions, views, and social media usage". From there, if those answers don't align with your beliefs, read some places you trust. He's a pretty fvcked up dude. Supports China, Alt Far Right German Political Movement, Russia.... Good luck with this guy.
Trump will get tired of him.
Or will he get tired of Trump
Either prediction is a safe one to make. What are the betting odds on a breakup between those two? The betting industry bets on everything. Somebody check that please.
$124,638 total dollars wagered on it on both sides, 25% chance he's out by July according to the bettors.
https://polymarket.com/event/elon-musk-out-as-head-of-doge-before-july?tid=1737719194836
I believe you are correct. Whichever of you. It's a mad house, on both sides of the aisle. This, and the Democrats over-hyped reactions to everything, is why I said earlier that I couldn't vote for either of the presidential candidates. That brought me to my flippant state of mind above, leading to remarks like "we're all bozos on this bus".
Long ago, the Republicans were engaged in similar tactics against Obama, leading me to defend Mr. O against absurd attacks from the R's. I tried to point out that he'd given them plenty of ammunition to attack him on in real life, but they made stuff up anyway. Now the shoe is on the other foot. The "Salute" is a prime example of the hyperbolic attack syndrome.
So, way back then folks here believed me to be some sort of dyed-in-the-wool leftist, now some think I'm a Trumpsketeer, others will see me as a flipper-flopper, because I'm not on either side. Not that anyone really cares what side I'm on, I know that I'm not that important or anything, but I'm a person too and in the world of political freedom people get to speak their feelings, try to sway others to their "side".
Imagine a Venn diagram of sorts, 4 circles overlapping in a center. Left and Right are overlapping slightly side by side, Good overlaps the top and Evil at the bottom. I try to be the circle that is superimposed over this background, more to the top and including that which is Good that is found on the Left and Right. The nature of this scenario is that the Good must be supported by the circles on the Left and Right, or it will fall into Evil. If either of those circles gets too disproportionate to the other, Good falls and Evil rises.
So, I don't think of myself as a flip flopper, but rather as a part of whatever force brings equilibrium to the system in the direction of Good. Not that I think I'm going to make much difference, that would be too much ego for an introvert like me, I'm only responsible for being the best me that I can accomplish.
So, when people on whichever side of the spectrum start making the insane out of the mundane in their overheated accusations against the other side, like the "Salute", I try to bring it back to reality as I see it. And when I'm wrong try to see I'm wrong, and try to move back into the circle of Good, as best as I can perceive it.
Of course, my Youth was heavily influenced by MAD magazine, National Lampoon, and Zap Comix, and of course Firesign Theater, so sarcastic flippancy is my humorous, to me, way of dealing with serious subjects. Thus the warning seen below regarding persons dedicated to either the Left or the Right. I'm sure to offend if one is overly committed to one side or the other. Sorry about that, but not sorry enough to let either of those make my mind up for me.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Oh, and Pete, you're right, Musk is indeed a weird dude. I have no idea what he'll do next.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
@Amos_Umwhat well said above. That is my awesome.
I mean, Musk is an all time weirdo. I have no idea what goes through that guys head or why he did that. Maybe he thought it was funny or mocking? All I know is that that's what a textbook Sieg Heil looks like, and he did it twice in a row.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
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A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
I don't think he has naughtzi tendencies, but I thought when I first saw it that he might be trolling. I mean, he could have kept his palm up to make the gesture, but he did not.