@VegasFrank said:
You guys are hilarious. Nobody actually answered my question. By not answering it, you've answered it. The act doesn't matter: he who commits the act is the important thing.
Carry on sheeple!
Lol, I'll take a crack at it Frank. You need to relax, you'll never make it through 4 years.
Trump was elected with the promise of Elon Musk heading up the BS of cutting inefficient government.
This George Soros fella, I not sure what his claim to fame is but I don't think he was part of the Biden admin. Oh wait, he got a participation medal of some sort and probably a pardon also.
@Amos_Umwhat said:
Which is the sign of a better leader? The ability to delegate responsibility and then trust those to whom you've delegated? Or the compulsive need to micromanage and take credit for every facet of your administrations activity? Which possibility is happening here?
Just for clarification, you believe that Trump is the type that can delegate responsibility and trust the decisions made by those he delegated to?
I can answer the other question, what if Biden had Soros in the same scenario? Firstly, let me say that I suspect that Soros is often maligned and credited with all kinds of things that he never really did, or backed. With that said, had Biden sat there while Soros did all the talking my thinking would be that it demonstrated a level of Democrat transparency not seen since the airing of The Birth of a Nation in Woodrow Wilson's Democrat White House.
I take back what I said, Steve you actually answered the question. Lol thank you. Not the answer I expected.
By the way, well I think that musk leading this blue ribbon panel (it is legally nothing more than that) is a farce, The thing that I find wildly inappropriate is that He's a man who is standing in the oval office in a t-shirt and a ball cap who is holding court in the oval office, implying that he has the power of the pen to restructure the government, all the ostensible most powerful person in the world sits idly by. I also think it's hilariously ironic that the guy who accidentally bought a social media company for $40 billion is now in charge of saving government money.
The delegation of powers argument is a great alibi and is patently false. Do I think a 78-year-old man who is in his second term as president of the United States has all of a sudden grown as a person? Absolutely not. I don't think anybody actually thinks that, unless the naivete runs so deep that they struggle to tie their shoes in the morning.
Finally a quick one on Nick's Shadow government. Even if you thought that the chief of staff and the cabinet was running the government, those people are not appointed by the president. They are nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate. There are checks and balances to hiring every single federal worker, from the wg1 temporary plumber to the SES 4 director of three-letter agency.
Thanks for answering my question Steve. Have a nice night!
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@VegasFrank said:
You guys are hilarious. Nobody actually answered my question. By not answering it, you've answered it. The act doesn't matter: he who commits the act is the important thing.
Carry on sheeple!
Lol, I'll take a crack at it Frank. You need to relax, you'll never make it through 4 years.
Trump was elected with the promise of Elon Musk heading up the BS of cutting inefficient government.
This George Soros fella, I not sure what his claim to fame is but I don't think he was part of the Biden admin. Oh wait, he got a participation medal of some sort and probably a pardon also.
Saaawwwing and a miss Randy....
My question was, if George Soros (or some other millionaire extremist whose views go against yours) stood in the Whitehouse and outlined government policy, then what would your reaction to this be?
My point is that people will let a lot more **** go for one side than the other.
Thanks for playing though!
😘
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I think the premise of the question is fundamentally flawed, because Biden didn't appoint Soros to any position. In fact, I believe Biden was appointed to his position, since he was the only possible person who even had a slim chance to beat Trump in 2020. In reality, Biden was the one appointed by the D party, fully knowing he would not be leading anything, which, in fact, turned out to be true, because he was incapable of leading due to his cognitive decline, a fact pointed out by many even during the 2020 campaign cycle. Anyone even taking a cursory, disinterested look knew this, especially in the last two years of his term.
The question, while flawed, is not even the correct question. The correct question is, who was actually running the Executive Branch behind the scenes while Biden shuffled around on stage, misreading the teleprompter. The big difference between the two situations is, Trump was elected to do what he is currently doing, reigning in "Big Government" and its wasteful spending. He is accomplishing this with Musk being placed openly in a position to direct the effort. Biden was the actual puppet for some unnamed person or persons, being used to continue an agenda which started in 2008 under Obama, who also had some very powerful, unelected people in the shadows behind him.
Lol Todd you're a hoot! You justify one thing with another, and ironically you do so under a false premise yourself while taking the time to respond while intentionally avoiding a simple request.
Despite this, you have answered the question completely. The answer to the question is that it wouldn't be okay if it were reversed, but it's justified based on other dissimilar things that have happened in the other direction.
Copy.
And the real governors of this society, the ones actually pulling the strings, are the oligarchs who exercise undue influence on the entire process. The Kochs, sorroses, musks, bezoses, and buffets of the world, legalized through citizens united and codified through their weopanizing of the utility, real estate, investment, and mass media organizations that they own, are the ones who really control The government. They do it through influence. They influence the politicians to set the policy and the influence the quote-unquote Shadow government, the people who actually execute the offices of the government, to do the things they say. Then they pit the Jimmy's in the Joe's, the common people, against each other to solidify that power .
They do so in such an effective manner that a guy in a t-shirt and a ball cap can stand in front of the president inside the oval office and talk about the things he's going to do to drain a swamp that he himself helped to fill, and all to a rousing cheer.
Thanks for playing buddy! Love you!
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I often wonder how a person who makes $10,000 more than me in annual salary in the same federal government for which I work can walk away from that job after 2, 4, 6 or 8 years and walk out a millionaire or a hundred millionaire. I've been doing my job for 30 years and I ain't no fukking millionaire, dog
I also once wondered who owns these giant Fortune 500 companies, and as it turns out, the answer to that question is all of the other Fortune 500 companies. More than 80% of all of the stock of all of these publicly traded companies are owned by the other publicly traded Fortune 500 companies. Roughly 10% of them are owned by the oligarchs. The remainder is what's publicly traded on the stock exchange.
Tell me who's in charge.
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I also once wondered who owns these giant Fortune 500 companies, and as it turns out, the answer to that question is all of the other Fortune 500 companies. More than 80% of all of the stock of all of these publicly traded companies are owned by the other publicly traded Fortune 500 companies. Roughly 10% of them are owned by the oligarchs. The remainder is what's publicly traded on the stock exchange.
Tell me who's in charge.
What is your source for only 10% being on the stock exchange. Surprising statistic. I didn't know that, though I suspected big money.
the real governors of this society, the ones actually pulling the strings, are the oligarchs who exercise undue influence on the entire process. The Kochs, sorroses, musks, bezoses, and buffets of the world, legalized through citizens united and codified through their weopanizing of the utility, real estate, investment, and mass media organizations that they own, are the ones who really control The government. They do it through influence. They influence the politicians to set the policy and the influence the quote-unquote Shadow government, the people who actually execute the offices of the government, to do the things they say. Then they pit the Jimmy's in the Joe's, the common people, against each other to solidify that power .
I don't think any of us can argue with that. Pretty much we're all just out here rooting for shirts or skins, it's the team owners making bank.
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@VegasFrank said:
Lol Todd you're a hoot! You justify one thing with another, and ironically you do so under a false premise yourself while taking the time to respond while intentionally avoiding a simple request.
Despite this, you have answered the question completely. The answer to the question is that it wouldn't be okay if it were reversed, but it's justified based on other dissimilar things that have happened in the other direction.
Copy.
And the real governors of this society, the ones actually pulling the strings, are the oligarchs who exercise undue influence on the entire process. The Kochs, sorroses, musks, bezoses, and buffets of the world, legalized through citizens united and codified through their weopanizing of the utility, real estate, investment, and mass media organizations that they own, are the ones who really control The government. They do it through influence. They influence the politicians to set the policy and the influence the quote-unquote Shadow government, the people who actually execute the offices of the government, to do the things they say. Then they pit the Jimmy's in the Joe's, the common people, against each other to solidify that power .
They do so in such an effective manner that a guy in a t-shirt and a ball cap can stand in front of the president inside the oval office and talk about the things he's going to do to drain a swamp that he himself helped to fill, and all to a rousing cheer.
Thanks for playing buddy! Love you!
Jeez Francis, I'm a hoot? This is the hootiest thing I've read in a while, especially everything that comes after the word "Copy" . LOL. I's not hooty in content, though. I agree with it almost 100%.
But first, you essentially asked a "gotcha" question (intentionally or not, I won't speculate), a hypothetical question at that, that however answered could be used to bash the answerer.
Yes, it is the same as Biden bringing in Soros = Why are you letting it happen then?; No, it isn't the same = Hypocrite!! ;
No Reply = Sheeple! Blind Follower!
Then you go on to to dismiss not the hypothetical, but actual question of who was in control during the Biden administration, as if it doesn't matter, while likening the Trump/Musk situation to the downfall of Democracy in America.
But the hootiest thing really is this: You go on to explain to Trump supporters what the problem with government is. Holy Christ Frank, we have known what it is for decades, and have tried to do something about it for just as long. We have tried to vote for Republicans who say they are going to be fiscally responsible, who are going to weed out corruption, who are going to reduce the size of government, and what have we gotten? Nothing but more waste, more fraud, more bloat, and more interference. We finally have a then-candidate, now-President who ran on dismantling the bureaucracy, reducing waste, and giving the government back to the people. Now that he is in office and is proceeding to do that, the people whom you describe are fighting tooth-and-nail to shut him down.
You surround the words shadow government with quote marks, as if it may not exist, after explaining what it is and what it does. I already know what it is and what it does. I think you've also referenced the Deep State in the same way, as if that doesn't really exist, yet you have described what we have known as the Deep State for decades. Welcome to the fvckin club, Frank. Ironically, you claim that Trump and Musk are part of the oligarchy/shadow/deep state (O/S/DS) all-controlling power, so tell me, why do they want Trump dead? If he is doing what you suggest, he would be a boon to the oligarchy.
Ironically, the last two Presidents who challenged the government and tried to reign in its excesses and abuses both wound up with extra holes in them, one in the head, the other in the chest. Trump also come this close to an extra hole in the head, and that wasn't the only attempt. There will be more, I'm sure. Continuing with the irony, most of the people who deny the existence of the O/S/DS, would cheer if Trump were assassinated.
@VegasFrank said:
Lol Todd you're a hoot! You justify one thing with another, and ironically you do so under a false premise yourself while taking the time to respond while intentionally avoiding a simple request.
Despite this, you have answered the question completely. The answer to the question is that it wouldn't be okay if it were reversed, but it's justified based on other dissimilar things that have happened in the other direction.
Copy.
And the real governors of this society, the ones actually pulling the strings, are the oligarchs who exercise undue influence on the entire process. The Kochs, sorroses, musks, bezoses, and buffets of the world, legalized through citizens united and codified through their weopanizing of the utility, real estate, investment, and mass media organizations that they own, are the ones who really control The government. They do it through influence. They influence the politicians to set the policy and the influence the quote-unquote Shadow government, the people who actually execute the offices of the government, to do the things they say. Then they pit the Jimmy's in the Joe's, the common people, against each other to solidify that power .
They do so in such an effective manner that a guy in a t-shirt and a ball cap can stand in front of the president inside the oval office and talk about the things he's going to do to drain a swamp that he himself helped to fill, and all to a rousing cheer.
Thanks for playing buddy! Love you!
Jeez Francis, I'm a hoot? This is the hootiest thing I've read in a while, especially everything that comes after the word "Copy" . LOL. I's not hooty in content, though. I agree with it almost 100%.
But first, you essentially asked a "gotcha" question (intentionally or not, I won't speculate), a hypothetical question at that, that however answered could be used to bash the answerer.
Yes, it is the same as Biden bringing in Soros = Why are you letting it happen then?; No, it isn't the same = Hypocrite!! ;
No Reply = Sheeple! Blind Follower!
You call it a loaded question, but it really isn't. If that's what you think of me and my "honest question," then I've earned that reputation with you and I'll own that.
By the way, the fourth answer would have been "I would have been mad in your scenario and I'm okay with it here because xyz..." Yes hypocrisy, but honest hypocrisy. I am an honest hypocrite in many areas of my values. Everyone is. The "honest" part of my honest query isn't to debate your values, which is futile, but to gain insight into the minds of people with double standards, which we all have.
Then you go on to to dismiss not the hypothetical, but actual question of who was in control during the Biden administration, as if it doesn't matter, while likening the Trump/Musk situation to the downfall of Democracy in America.
False. As the leader of a 236 person organization, I delegate many things to many people myself. I never once mentioned any doomsday scenarios that you elude to. You assume those of me, again, because of the reputation that I have with you. Again. I've earned that with you and must own it.
But the hootiest thing really is this: You go on to explain to Trump supporters what the problem with government is. Holy Christ Frank, we have known what it is for decades, and have tried to do something about it for just as long.
We have? Explain! I don't know what those somethings are.
We have tried to vote for Republicans who say they are going to be fiscally responsible, who are going to weed out corruption, who are going to reduce the size of government, and what have we gotten? Nothing but more waste, more fraud, more bloat, and more interference. We finally have a then-candidate, now-President who ran on dismantling the bureaucracy, reducing waste, and giving the government back to the people. Now that he is in office and is proceeding to do that, the people whom you describe are fighting tooth-and-nail to shut him down.
People fight presidents tooth-and-nail no matter who they are. Did "you" (your side) fight Biden tooth and nail? Was THAT okay?
Of course it was, to you, and based on your values. I'm cool with that.
You surround the words shadow government with quote marks, as if it may not exist, after explaining what it is and what it does. I already know what it is and what it does.
Great! I didn't say anything about existence. What i take exception to is the connotation that career civil servants run rogue and counter to the wishes of the senior elected and appointed officials and executives. Is there a guy out there somewhere who slow rolls something? Yes, and there is a percentage of those. But God damn it Todd. Don't you dare question the efficacy of those of us who hold office to serve the public.
I think that the average American citizen thinks that we don't do much and collect fat paychecks, and then when we don't like a president, we say fukkit, we ain't doing that. Maybe it happens in tiny, insignificant pockets. But the bottom line is that I'm every agency that I've ever seen (maybe not the post office, lol), we take the business of the government of the United States of America murha fukkkkin seriously.
I think you've also referenced the Deep State in the same way, as if that doesn't really exist, yet you have described what we have known as the Deep State for decades. Welcome to the fvckin club, Frank.
Lol no. I have said that the Clinton's aren't killing anyone, but that's only because they aren't.
Ironically, you claim that Trump and Musk are part of the oligarchy/shadow/deep state (O/S/DS) all-controlling power, so tell me, why do they want Trump dead? If he is doing what you suggest, he would be a boon to the oligarchy.
I didn't realize that the oligarchy wants trump dead. As a matter of fact, I disagree with that notion. Which members want this? Why?
Ironically, the last two Presidents who challenged the government and tried to reign in its excesses and abuses both wound up with extra holes in them, one in the head, the other in the chest.
Are you referring to Reagan? He sorta has seven years of presidency after that guy took a shot at him. Maybe you're referring to someone else.
Trump also come this close to an extra hole in the head, and that wasn't the only attempt.
Let me give you insight into my hypocrisy. I hate conspiracy theories, but the one conspiracy that I believe in is that the two assassination attempts were publicity stunts. The only thing that gives me pause is the dead guy.
There will be more, I'm sure. Continuing with the irony, most of the people who deny the existence of the O/S/DS, would cheer if Trump were assassinated.
Okay, so I would cheer. Sorry, I'm not a perfect person.
Love you too, Brother
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@VegasFrank said:
I've been doing my job for 30 years and I ain't no fukking millionaire, dog
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This is your fault.
I think it's AJ Fernandez's fault.
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I remain amazed at the amount of people who think that just a couple people can fix all the various problems of the country. Be it Trump/Musk or Biden/Whoever, whatever team a person is on.
I am personally of the opinion that nothing significant is getting changed at this point by either team without a full scale, top to bottom revolution.
@ShawnOL said:
There's a long list of people, most of whom have been forgotten, that had dirt on the Clintons and died unexpectedly. Surprised Monica survived.
Allegedly.
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@VegasFrank , or anyone, how do you break up your response to answer in detail like that? I know how on a different forum, but it's a PITA, and easy to screw up.
Like this. Just put your response in where you want to insert it.
@VegasFrank , or anyone, how do you break up your response to answer
You can do it in the middle of a line or sentence too, just be sure to add the greater than symbol and a space after you hit return like so:
in detail like that? I know how on a different forum, but it's a PITA, and easy to screw up.
See my quote example above and the image I captured below. Easier than explaining it.
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you Don't even have to hit the quote button on the post. You could just create quotation format anytime you want with the greater than symbol any space, anywhere you want!
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you Don't even have to hit the quote button on the post. You could just create quotation format anytime you want with the greater than symbol any space,
@ShawnOL said:
There's a long list of people, most of whom have been forgotten, that had dirt on the Clintons and died unexpectedly. Surprised Monica survived.
@VegasFrank said:
Lol Todd you're a hoot! You justify one thing with another, and ironically you do so under a false premise yourself while taking the time to respond while intentionally avoiding a simple request.
Despite this, you have answered the question completely. The answer to the question is that it wouldn't be okay if it were reversed, but it's justified based on other dissimilar things that have happened in the other direction.
Copy.
And the real governors of this society, the ones actually pulling the strings, are the oligarchs who exercise undue influence on the entire process. The Kochs, sorroses, musks, bezoses, and buffets of the world, legalized through citizens united and codified through their weopanizing of the utility, real estate, investment, and mass media organizations that they own, are the ones who really control The government. They do it through influence. They influence the politicians to set the policy and the influence the quote-unquote Shadow government, the people who actually execute the offices of the government, to do the things they say. Then they pit the Jimmy's in the Joe's, the common people, against each other to solidify that power .
They do so in such an effective manner that a guy in a t-shirt and a ball cap can stand in front of the president inside the oval office and talk about the things he's going to do to drain a swamp that he himself helped to fill, and all to a rousing cheer.
Thanks for playing buddy! Love you!
Jeez Francis, I'm a hoot? This is the hootiest thing I've read in a while, especially everything that comes after the word "Copy" . LOL. I's not hooty in content, though. I agree with it almost 100%.
But first, you essentially asked a "gotcha" question (intentionally or not, I won't speculate), a hypothetical question at that, that however answered could be used to bash the answerer.
Yes, it is the same as Biden bringing in Soros = Why are you letting it happen then?; No, it isn't the same = Hypocrite!! ;
No Reply = Sheeple! Blind Follower!
You call it a loaded question, but it really isn't. If that's what you think of me and my "honest question," then I've earned that reputation with you and I'll own that.
I did say I wasn't speculating on your intentions with the question. The question itself comes pre-loaded.
By the way, the fourth answer would have been "I would have been mad in your scenario and I'm okay with it here because xyz..." Yes hypocrisy, but honest hypocrisy. I am an honest hypocrite in many areas of my values. Everyone is. The "honest" part of my honest query isn't to debate your values, which is futile, but to gain insight into the minds of people with double standards, which we all have.
The problem I'm having with your 4th possible answer is, it seems the basis for the hypocrisy charges depends on the person doing the act, and not the act itself. To me, it's as if any act is only made good or bad (therefore the basis for hypocrisy) by the person performing it. A sort of moral relativity regarding actions, like nothing in itself is either good or bad, only bad people make acts bad.
In your scenario, if Biden brought in some advisor/czar/whatever with the purpose of finding and eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse, and reducing the size and scope of government, etc, etc., I would have been (cautiously) behind it. IMO, the act itself is good, so long as it is done lawfully. Then there is not hypocrisy, and the question becomes "Do you believe the act is good or bad?"
Then you go on to to dismiss not the hypothetical, but actual question of who was in control during the Biden administration, as if it doesn't matter, while likening the Trump/Musk situation to the downfall of Democracy in America.
False. As the leader of a 236 person organization, I delegate many things to many people myself. I never once mentioned any doomsday scenarios that you elude to. You assume those of me, again, because of the reputation that I have with you. Again. I've earned that with you and must own it.
Sorry if I misread or misinterpreted the part about the swamp, and Musk helping to fill it.
Please though, you don't have to keep mentioning your reputation with me, and owning it, etc. Anything that happened in the past (only one thing I can think of) is behind me, and your reputation in my eyes is for speaking honestly what you believe. I often hesitate to do the same.
But the hootiest thing really is this: You go on to explain to Trump supporters what the problem with government is. Holy Christ Frank, we have known what it is for decades, and have tried to do something about it for just as long.
We have? Explain! I don't know what those somethings are.
This is where you confuse me a little bit again. You went into some detail about the oligarchy, which is one of the problems. Some others are, the development of the Administrative State, and the ever-increasing, unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy, the gradual but almost complete abdication by Congress over its power to write laws, with notable Supreme Court decisions in Chevron and a much earlier case which name I can't remember right now, and also the abdication of any serious oversight by Congress, the so-called Regulatory Capture of Federal Agencies by big business, also including the revolving door system of leadership among those agencies and the businesses they are to regulate, the same for Big Pharma, and the Military Industrial Complex, who bring us continual Wars and Rumors of War, and the 17th Amendment taking away the States appointment of Senators in favor of direct elections.
We have tried to vote for Republicans who say they are going to be fiscally responsible, who are going to weed out corruption, who are going to reduce the size of government, and what have we gotten? Nothing but more waste, more fraud, more bloat, and more interference. We finally have a then-candidate, now-President who ran on dismantling the bureaucracy, reducing waste, and giving the government back to the people. Now that he is in office and is proceeding to do that, the people whom you describe are fighting tooth-and-nail to shut him down.
People fight presidents tooth-and-nail no matter who they are. Did "you" (your side) fight Biden tooth and nail? Was THAT okay?
Of course it was, to you, and based on your values. I'm cool with that.
I am cool with people working against any incumbent administration too.
You surround the words shadow government with quote marks, as if it may not exist, after explaining what it is and what it does. I already know what it is and what it does.
Great! I didn't say anything about existence. What i take exception to is the connotation that career civil servants run rogue and counter to the wishes of the senior elected and appointed officials and executives. Is there a guy out there somewhere who slow rolls something? Yes, and there is a percentage of those. But God damn it Todd. Don't you dare question the efficacy of those of us who hold office to serve the public.
I don't believe I said or claimed anything about career civil servants or everyday working people within the government (exception: USPS ). Here, you are reading into it based on your own perceptions, I think. If I did, please show me, I'll apologize. I thank you for your service, sincerely.
I think that the average American citizen thinks that we don't do much and collect fat paychecks, and then when we don't like a president, we say fukkit, we ain't doing that. Maybe it happens in tiny, insignificant pockets. But the bottom line is that I'm every agency that I've ever seen (maybe not the post office, lol), we take the business of the government of the United States of America murha fukkkkin seriously.
I think you've also referenced the Deep State in the same way, as if that doesn't really exist, yet you have described what we have known as the Deep State for decades. Welcome to the fvckin club, Frank.
Lol no. I have said that the Clinton's aren't killing anyone, but that's only because they aren't.
Ironically, you claim that Trump and Musk are part of the oligarchy/shadow/deep state (O/S/DS) all-controlling power, so tell me, why do they want Trump dead? If he is doing what you suggest, he would be a boon to the oligarchy.
I didn't realize that the oligarchy wants trump dead. As a matter of fact, I disagree with that notion. Which members want this? Why?
Ironically, the last two Presidents who challenged the government and tried to reign in its excesses and abuses both wound up with extra holes in them, one in the head, the other in the chest.
Are you referring to Reagan? He sorta has seven years of presidency after that guy took a shot at him. Maybe you're referring to someone else.
I am referring to Reagan. I don't buy the story of a crazy, love-struck guy trying to won Jodi Foster's heart.
Trump also come this close to an extra hole in the head, and that wasn't the only attempt.
Let me give you insight into my hypocrisy. I hate conspiracy theories, but the one conspiracy that I believe in is that the two assassination attempts were publicity stunts. The only thing that gives me pause is the dead guy.
Everyone has their own favorite conspiracy theories, except they aren't theories if one believes them.
There will be more, I'm sure. Continuing with the irony, most of the people who deny the existence of the O/S/DS, would cheer if Trump were assassinated.
Okay, so I would cheer. Sorry, I'm not a perfect person.
Nor am I. But my point was, since you brought up the oligarchy, etc., why would you cheer the death of the only President in the last 40 years who has taken serious, consequential actions to curtail it? Simply because you hate him as a person? I don't get it.
@CalvinAndHobo said:
I remain amazed at the amount of people who think that just a couple people can fix all the various problems of the country. Be it Trump/Musk or Biden/Whoever, whatever team a person is on.
I am personally of the opinion that nothing significant is getting changed at this point by either team without a full scale, top to bottom revolution.
Are you talking about a shooting revolution? I hope it never comes to that.
@CalvinAndHobo said:
I remain amazed at the amount of people who think that just a couple people can fix all the various problems of the country. Be it Trump/Musk or Biden/Whoever, whatever team a person is on.
I am personally of the opinion that nothing significant is getting changed at this point by either team without a full scale, top to bottom revolution.
Are you talking about a shooting revolution? I hope it never comes to that.
I mean I don't think anything is actually going to happen, but yeah I think a shooting revolution or a societal collapse of some other kind is going to be needed to change anything significantly, though I also hope I'm wrong.
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Lol, I'll take a crack at it Frank. You need to relax, you'll never make it through 4 years.
Trump was elected with the promise of Elon Musk heading up the BS of cutting inefficient government.
This George Soros fella, I not sure what his claim to fame is but I don't think he was part of the Biden admin. Oh wait, he got a participation medal of some sort and probably a pardon also.
I take back what I said, Steve you actually answered the question. Lol thank you. Not the answer I expected.
By the way, well I think that musk leading this blue ribbon panel (it is legally nothing more than that) is a farce, The thing that I find wildly inappropriate is that He's a man who is standing in the oval office in a t-shirt and a ball cap who is holding court in the oval office, implying that he has the power of the pen to restructure the government, all the ostensible most powerful person in the world sits idly by. I also think it's hilariously ironic that the guy who accidentally bought a social media company for $40 billion is now in charge of saving government money.
The delegation of powers argument is a great alibi and is patently false. Do I think a 78-year-old man who is in his second term as president of the United States has all of a sudden grown as a person? Absolutely not. I don't think anybody actually thinks that, unless the naivete runs so deep that they struggle to tie their shoes in the morning.
Finally a quick one on Nick's Shadow government. Even if you thought that the chief of staff and the cabinet was running the government, those people are not appointed by the president. They are nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate. There are checks and balances to hiring every single federal worker, from the wg1 temporary plumber to the SES 4 director of three-letter agency.
Thanks for answering my question Steve. Have a nice night!
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
Saaawwwing and a miss Randy....
My question was, if George Soros (or some other millionaire extremist whose views go against yours) stood in the Whitehouse and outlined government policy, then what would your reaction to this be?
My point is that people will let a lot more **** go for one side than the other.
Thanks for playing though!
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I think the premise of the question is fundamentally flawed, because Biden didn't appoint Soros to any position. In fact, I believe Biden was appointed to his position, since he was the only possible person who even had a slim chance to beat Trump in 2020. In reality, Biden was the one appointed by the D party, fully knowing he would not be leading anything, which, in fact, turned out to be true, because he was incapable of leading due to his cognitive decline, a fact pointed out by many even during the 2020 campaign cycle. Anyone even taking a cursory, disinterested look knew this, especially in the last two years of his term.
The question, while flawed, is not even the correct question. The correct question is, who was actually running the Executive Branch behind the scenes while Biden shuffled around on stage, misreading the teleprompter. The big difference between the two situations is, Trump was elected to do what he is currently doing, reigning in "Big Government" and its wasteful spending. He is accomplishing this with Musk being placed openly in a position to direct the effort. Biden was the actual puppet for some unnamed person or persons, being used to continue an agenda which started in 2008 under Obama, who also had some very powerful, unelected people in the shadows behind him.
Both parties are at fault for this BS. It's time to clean it up.
Lol Todd you're a hoot! You justify one thing with another, and ironically you do so under a false premise yourself while taking the time to respond while intentionally avoiding a simple request.
Despite this, you have answered the question completely. The answer to the question is that it wouldn't be okay if it were reversed, but it's justified based on other dissimilar things that have happened in the other direction.
Copy.
And the real governors of this society, the ones actually pulling the strings, are the oligarchs who exercise undue influence on the entire process. The Kochs, sorroses, musks, bezoses, and buffets of the world, legalized through citizens united and codified through their weopanizing of the utility, real estate, investment, and mass media organizations that they own, are the ones who really control The government. They do it through influence. They influence the politicians to set the policy and the influence the quote-unquote Shadow government, the people who actually execute the offices of the government, to do the things they say. Then they pit the Jimmy's in the Joe's, the common people, against each other to solidify that power .
They do so in such an effective manner that a guy in a t-shirt and a ball cap can stand in front of the president inside the oval office and talk about the things he's going to do to drain a swamp that he himself helped to fill, and all to a rousing cheer.
Thanks for playing buddy! Love you!
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
I often wonder how a person who makes $10,000 more than me in annual salary in the same federal government for which I work can walk away from that job after 2, 4, 6 or 8 years and walk out a millionaire or a hundred millionaire. I've been doing my job for 30 years and I ain't no fukking millionaire, dog
I also once wondered who owns these giant Fortune 500 companies, and as it turns out, the answer to that question is all of the other Fortune 500 companies. More than 80% of all of the stock of all of these publicly traded companies are owned by the other publicly traded Fortune 500 companies. Roughly 10% of them are owned by the oligarchs. The remainder is what's publicly traded on the stock exchange.
Tell me who's in charge.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
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This is your fault.
What is your source for only 10% being on the stock exchange. Surprising statistic. I didn't know that, though I suspected big money.
I don't think any of us can argue with that. Pretty much we're all just out here rooting for shirts or skins, it's the team owners making bank.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Frank IS big government.
At any given time the urge to sing "In The Jungle" is just a whim away... A whim away... A whim away...
Jeez Francis, I'm a hoot? This is the hootiest thing I've read in a while, especially everything that comes after the word "Copy" . LOL. I's not hooty in content, though. I agree with it almost 100%.
But first, you essentially asked a "gotcha" question (intentionally or not, I won't speculate), a hypothetical question at that, that however answered could be used to bash the answerer.
Yes, it is the same as Biden bringing in Soros = Why are you letting it happen then?; No, it isn't the same = Hypocrite!! ;
No Reply = Sheeple! Blind Follower!
Then you go on to to dismiss not the hypothetical, but actual question of who was in control during the Biden administration, as if it doesn't matter, while likening the Trump/Musk situation to the downfall of Democracy in America.
But the hootiest thing really is this: You go on to explain to Trump supporters what the problem with government is. Holy Christ Frank, we have known what it is for decades, and have tried to do something about it for just as long. We have tried to vote for Republicans who say they are going to be fiscally responsible, who are going to weed out corruption, who are going to reduce the size of government, and what have we gotten? Nothing but more waste, more fraud, more bloat, and more interference. We finally have a then-candidate, now-President who ran on dismantling the bureaucracy, reducing waste, and giving the government back to the people. Now that he is in office and is proceeding to do that, the people whom you describe are fighting tooth-and-nail to shut him down.
You surround the words shadow government with quote marks, as if it may not exist, after explaining what it is and what it does. I already know what it is and what it does. I think you've also referenced the Deep State in the same way, as if that doesn't really exist, yet you have described what we have known as the Deep State for decades. Welcome to the fvckin club, Frank. Ironically, you claim that Trump and Musk are part of the oligarchy/shadow/deep state (O/S/DS) all-controlling power, so tell me, why do they want Trump dead? If he is doing what you suggest, he would be a boon to the oligarchy.
Ironically, the last two Presidents who challenged the government and tried to reign in its excesses and abuses both wound up with extra holes in them, one in the head, the other in the chest. Trump also come this close to an extra hole in the head, and that wasn't the only attempt. There will be more, I'm sure. Continuing with the irony, most of the people who deny the existence of the O/S/DS, would cheer if Trump were assassinated.
Love you too, Brother
You call it a loaded question, but it really isn't. If that's what you think of me and my "honest question," then I've earned that reputation with you and I'll own that.
By the way, the fourth answer would have been "I would have been mad in your scenario and I'm okay with it here because xyz..." Yes hypocrisy, but honest hypocrisy. I am an honest hypocrite in many areas of my values. Everyone is. The "honest" part of my honest query isn't to debate your values, which is futile, but to gain insight into the minds of people with double standards, which we all have.
False. As the leader of a 236 person organization, I delegate many things to many people myself. I never once mentioned any doomsday scenarios that you elude to. You assume those of me, again, because of the reputation that I have with you. Again. I've earned that with you and must own it.
We have? Explain! I don't know what those somethings are.
People fight presidents tooth-and-nail no matter who they are. Did "you" (your side) fight Biden tooth and nail? Was THAT okay?
Of course it was, to you, and based on your values. I'm cool with that.
Great! I didn't say anything about existence. What i take exception to is the connotation that career civil servants run rogue and counter to the wishes of the senior elected and appointed officials and executives. Is there a guy out there somewhere who slow rolls something? Yes, and there is a percentage of those. But God damn it Todd. Don't you dare question the efficacy of those of us who hold office to serve the public.
I think that the average American citizen thinks that we don't do much and collect fat paychecks, and then when we don't like a president, we say fukkit, we ain't doing that. Maybe it happens in tiny, insignificant pockets. But the bottom line is that I'm every agency that I've ever seen (maybe not the post office, lol), we take the business of the government of the United States of America murha fukkkkin seriously.
Lol no. I have said that the Clinton's aren't killing anyone, but that's only because they aren't.
I didn't realize that the oligarchy wants trump dead. As a matter of fact, I disagree with that notion. Which members want this? Why?
Are you referring to Reagan? He sorta has seven years of presidency after that guy took a shot at him. Maybe you're referring to someone else.
Let me give you insight into my hypocrisy. I hate conspiracy theories, but the one conspiracy that I believe in is that the two assassination attempts were publicity stunts. The only thing that gives me pause is the dead guy.
Okay, so I would cheer. Sorry, I'm not a perfect person.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
I think it's AJ Fernandez's fault.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
Love watching you on "The View". AJF RULES!
I remain amazed at the amount of people who think that just a couple people can fix all the various problems of the country. Be it Trump/Musk or Biden/Whoever, whatever team a person is on.
I am personally of the opinion that nothing significant is getting changed at this point by either team without a full scale, top to bottom revolution.
Revolution just gives opportunity for a new crop of power-hungry folks with no one to rein them in.
Epstein didn't hang himself.
At any given time the urge to sing "In The Jungle" is just a whim away... A whim away... A whim away...
There's a long list of people, most of whom have been forgotten, that had dirt on the Clintons and died unexpectedly. Surprised Monica survived.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
Allegedly.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
@VegasFrank , or anyone, how do you break up your response to answer in detail like that? I know how on a different forum, but it's a PITA, and easy to screw up.
Like this. Just put your response in where you want to insert it.
You can do it in the middle of a line or sentence too, just be sure to add the greater than symbol and a space after you hit return like so:
See my quote example above and the image I captured below. Easier than explaining it.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
So it's all about the > symbol
testing
Duuuude, easy. Thanks.
She kept her mouth closed and swallowed 🥴
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
It's so easy, even a Republican can do it!!!
I did say I wasn't speculating on your intentions with the question. The question itself comes pre-loaded.
The problem I'm having with your 4th possible answer is, it seems the basis for the hypocrisy charges depends on the person doing the act, and not the act itself. To me, it's as if any act is only made good or bad (therefore the basis for hypocrisy) by the person performing it. A sort of moral relativity regarding actions, like nothing in itself is either good or bad, only bad people make acts bad.
In your scenario, if Biden brought in some advisor/czar/whatever with the purpose of finding and eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse, and reducing the size and scope of government, etc, etc., I would have been (cautiously) behind it. IMO, the act itself is good, so long as it is done lawfully. Then there is not hypocrisy, and the question becomes "Do you believe the act is good or bad?"
Sorry if I misread or misinterpreted the part about the swamp, and Musk helping to fill it.
Please though, you don't have to keep mentioning your reputation with me, and owning it, etc. Anything that happened in the past (only one thing I can think of) is behind me, and your reputation in my eyes is for speaking honestly what you believe. I often hesitate to do the same.
This is where you confuse me a little bit again. You went into some detail about the oligarchy, which is one of the problems. Some others are, the development of the Administrative State, and the ever-increasing, unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy, the gradual but almost complete abdication by Congress over its power to write laws, with notable Supreme Court decisions in Chevron and a much earlier case which name I can't remember right now, and also the abdication of any serious oversight by Congress, the so-called Regulatory Capture of Federal Agencies by big business, also including the revolving door system of leadership among those agencies and the businesses they are to regulate, the same for Big Pharma, and the Military Industrial Complex, who bring us continual Wars and Rumors of War, and the 17th Amendment taking away the States appointment of Senators in favor of direct elections.
I am cool with people working against any incumbent administration too.
I don't believe I said or claimed anything about career civil servants or everyday working people within the government (exception: USPS
). Here, you are reading into it based on your own perceptions, I think. If I did, please show me, I'll apologize. I thank you for your service, sincerely.
I am referring to Reagan. I don't buy the story of a crazy, love-struck guy trying to won Jodi Foster's heart.
Everyone has their own favorite conspiracy theories, except they aren't theories if one believes them.
Nor am I. But my point was, since you brought up the oligarchy, etc., why would you cheer the death of the only President in the last 40 years who has taken serious, consequential actions to curtail it? Simply because you hate him as a person? I don't get it.
Thanks for hearing me out.
Are you talking about a shooting revolution? I hope it never comes to that.
I mean I don't think anything is actually going to happen, but yeah I think a shooting revolution or a societal collapse of some other kind is going to be needed to change anything significantly, though I also hope I'm wrong.