Algore makes a good point. I think a big part of why Mark didn't notice might be the stark contrast in how the media covered that event vs. how anything to do with the current administration is covered. The fact is, the media covers what they want and doesn't cover what they don't want, and slants what they cover to portray what they're covering any way they want.
I am not saying we are not seeing unprecedented measures (some are indeed extreme)... I would propose that the circumstances surrounding/requiring Algore's alleged cuts were less drastic. The bureaucracy that exists is responsible for ruining much about what makes this nation great (IMHO) and is so entrenched that it won't go quietly into the night. I wish it were someone other than Trump trying to change things, someone who knew how to communicate without alienating, someone who knew how to get a message across in a way that made people want to work with him, but that ain't happening.
@peter4jc said:
The fact is, the media covers what they want and doesn't cover what they don't want, and slants what they cover to portray what they're covering any way they want.
The media covers what they are told to cover, and they are told how to cover it. Both sides.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
@peter4jc said:
The fact is, the media covers what they want and doesn't cover what they don't want, and slants what they cover to portray what they're covering any way they want.
The media covers what they are told to cover, and they are told how to cover it. Both sides.
By whom?
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@peter4jc said:
The fact is, the media covers what they want and doesn't cover what they don't want, and slants what they cover to portray what they're covering any way they want.
The media covers what they are told to cover, and they are told how to cover it. Both sides.
By whom?
The politicians and their Pacs unfortunately
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
I mean look, here was the headline after the legislature passed a budget extension.
Didn't the conservatives want the liberals to vote for the extension as written? Of course they did, seemingly, because they wrote the extension.
Yet the conservative headline says that they caved. We got what we wanted, so on the way out the door we're going take a shot at you anyways.
So let me get this straight. If they would have filibustered, they would have been crucified by Fox News. If they would have passed the budget, they would have been crucified by Fox News.
My honest guess is that they wrote a budget extension they thought the liberals would never vote for, thereby shutting down the government and putting 7 million people out of work. I really think they wanted to create a temporary anarchy, and then use the liberals as the scapegoat.
How does that help the American people? How does that make our country better? How does that secure our interests within and outside of the borders?
It doesn't. They are not interested in that. They are interested only in cementing their own power and destroying those who oppose them. You know, like any constitutional Republic government would.
It seems like the only thing that the conservatives want is for any and all diverse points of view to be annihilated. #democracy.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
@peter4jc said:
The fact is, the media covers what they want and doesn't cover what they don't want, and slants what they cover to portray what they're covering any way they want.
The media covers what they are told to cover, and they are told how to cover it. Both sides.
Rats! I thought I could sneak this one in while Frank was out of town. Did not count on such a quick recovery by him.
The PBS News Hour has a segment every Friday, Brooks & Capeheart, to discuss the weeks political headlines. Brooks is in the conservative corner but not so deep that PBS won't let him in the door - so he's in the center-left of the Right side. Anyway, as they discussed the CR, Capeheart was saying the Left was correct to chastize Shumer and those that voted with the enemy to pass the CR, and they need to resist Trump at every opportunity. Brooks made a very interesting point, that the Right was hoping they'd shoot it down so that Trump's henchmen could do some of their dastardly deeds during the shutdown that they couldn't do in normal times when the gov't is up and running; like a shutdown would give them the chance to do what the Left didn't want them to do because of an 'emergency'.
@peter4jc said:
The fact is, the media covers what they want and doesn't cover what they don't want, and slants what they cover to portray what they're covering any way they want.
The media covers what they are told to cover, and they are told how to cover it. Both sides.
Rats! I thought I could sneak this one in while Frank was out of town. Did not count on such a quick recovery by him.
The PBS News Hour has a segment every Friday, Brooks & Capeheart, to discuss the weeks political headlines. Brooks is in the conservative corner but not so deep that PBS won't let him in the door - so he's in the center-left of the Right side. Anyway, as they discussed the CR, Capeheart was saying the Left was correct to chastize Shumer and those that voted with the enemy to pass the CR, and they need to resist Trump at every opportunity. Brooks made a very interesting point, that the Right was hoping they'd shoot it down so that Trump's henchmen could do some of their dastardly deeds during the shutdown that they couldn't do in normal times when the gov't is up and running; like a shutdown would give them the chance to do what the Left didn't want them to do because of an 'emergency'.
And the dance continues...
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
Worth pointing out that we as consumers also share some of the blame for the media. Those second tier news sites, that aren't big enough to be getting direction from the PAC's/government, are mostly doing the same thing that Fox and CNN are, because it's what we click on. The fair news sites that try to present unbiased news are fading into oblivion, because they aren't making money. We've kind of brought this upon ourselves to a degree.
The biggest problem I see is we are calling them "News" The vast amount of them are opinion channels/shows. Actual news are facts not speculation and opinion slanted one way or the other to get a certain demographic.
News is boring for the most part because it makes you think for yourself and form your own opinion and do some research.
While the opinion/ entertainment end of things only reinforce how you already see believe things to be.
So, here's a strange dilemma. Organized criminal gangs from other countries have been entering our country illegally, breaking our laws, committing the crimes they specialize in, terrorizing communities, etc. DT runs for president largely on a platform of promising to rid our country of said gangs and terrorists. Then, utilizing existing laws, he moves to make his promise good.
Democrats are baffled and dismayed. What? He can't do that, can he? Bring those criminals back! Who ever heard of a politician actually doing the things he or she said they were going to do? That's bizarre!
So, do we return to the Democrats ways of handling the situation? They had two major strategies:
1. Welcome the criminals with open arms and subsidize their activities.
2. Wring our hands and raise taxes
The current strategy is to cry "racism". However, that doesn't hold up. People are not being persecuted, or deported on basis of race, but rather on the basis of gang affiliation and known criminal activity, beginning with illegal entry into our country. MS 13 aren't here to pick strawberries. They're not "guest workers". They're here to sell fentanyl to your kids, rob your houses and businesses, and generally wreak havoc for fun and profit.
I'm just as happy to see them go.
Rant over.
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President Donald Trump has rescinded an executive order targeting a prestigious international law firm after it promised to abandon diversity policies and provide $40m (£31m) worth of free legal work to support White House initiatives.
I suppose it would eliminate some, oh, say, tariffs?
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William Spaniel and The Caspian Report are two youtube channels I've come to trust. The former, for Ukraine/Russia news, the latter for world economics and geopolitics.
Here's a different slant on the latest message-group snafu;
Having read Sun Tzu, I had to wonder if it was deliberate misinformation. I mean, why else would a rabid TDS reporter be included on a group text like that?> @peter4jc said:
Interesting, Steve.
William Spaniel and The Caspian Report are two youtube channels I've come to trust. The former, for Ukraine/Russia news, the latter for world economics and geopolitics.
Here's a different slant on the latest message-group snafu;
Interesting piece, still never addressed why the reporter got added.
I understand and sympathize with the furor over using non-government communications, but think about it, the tech world moves at a much quicker pace than Congress. By the time Congress approves and implements something, it's obsolete, or at least quite dated. One of the reasons I didn't fault Hillary for her e-mail indiscretions, she wanted to communicate quickly and effectively, and government channels don't.
It still seems like a deliberate leak, or maybe they're all just fumbling around.
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@Amos_Umwhat said:
Having read Sun Tzu, I had to wonder if it was deliberate misinformation. I mean, why else would a rabid TDS reporter be included on a group text like that?> @peter4jc said:
Interesting, Steve.
William Spaniel and The Caspian Report are two youtube channels I've come to trust. The former, for Ukraine/Russia news, the latter for world economics and geopolitics.
Here's a different slant on the latest message-group snafu;
Interesting piece, still never addressed why the reporter got added.
I understand and sympathize with the furor over using non-government communications, but think about it, the tech world moves at a much quicker pace than Congress. By the time Congress approves and implements something, it's obsolete, or at least quite dated. One of the reasons I didn't fault Hillary for her e-mail indiscretions, she wanted to communicate quickly and effectively, and government channels don't.
It still seems like a deliberate leak, or maybe they're all just fumbling around.
Interesting perspectives. I don't know what disinformation you're talking about? The timeline in the group text turned out to be dead on balls accurate, to coin a phrase.
Maybe I misunderstood?
Also understand the concern about the ostensible lack of technology concerning parts of the government that require sensitive operations. The only thing that I can say to that in dealing with sensitive operations over the last few decades is it's just too **** bad.
Look, I use signal. I've been using it for years for work related things. It is strictly straight unclassified only. Signal was literally hacked a month ago. That was one instance that we knew of. I don't know how many we don't know of.
I'm sure those higher ups have ways of getting messages across securely without using their personal cell phones.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
@Amos_Umwhat said:
Having read Sun Tzu, I had to wonder if it was deliberate misinformation. I mean, why else would a rabid TDS reporter be included on a group text like that?> @peter4jc said:
Interesting, Steve.
William Spaniel and The Caspian Report are two youtube channels I've come to trust. The former, for Ukraine/Russia news, the latter for world economics and geopolitics.
Here's a different slant on the latest message-group snafu;
Maybe I misunderstood?
No, that was simply my initial conjecture upon first hearing of it. I still wonder if we've been told everything, probably not.
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
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Algore makes a good point. I think a big part of why Mark didn't notice might be the stark contrast in how the media covered that event vs. how anything to do with the current administration is covered. The fact is, the media covers what they want and doesn't cover what they don't want, and slants what they cover to portray what they're covering any way they want.
I am not saying we are not seeing unprecedented measures (some are indeed extreme)... I would propose that the circumstances surrounding/requiring Algore's alleged cuts were less drastic. The bureaucracy that exists is responsible for ruining much about what makes this nation great (IMHO) and is so entrenched that it won't go quietly into the night. I wish it were someone other than Trump trying to change things, someone who knew how to communicate without alienating, someone who knew how to get a message across in a way that made people want to work with him, but that ain't happening.
What's being done now is something sorely needed and long overdue.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
The media covers what they are told to cover, and they are told how to cover it. Both sides.
By whom?
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
The politicians and their Pacs unfortunately
I mean look, here was the headline after the legislature passed a budget extension.
Didn't the conservatives want the liberals to vote for the extension as written? Of course they did, seemingly, because they wrote the extension.
Yet the conservative headline says that they caved. We got what we wanted, so on the way out the door we're going take a shot at you anyways.
So let me get this straight. If they would have filibustered, they would have been crucified by Fox News. If they would have passed the budget, they would have been crucified by Fox News.
My honest guess is that they wrote a budget extension they thought the liberals would never vote for, thereby shutting down the government and putting 7 million people out of work. I really think they wanted to create a temporary anarchy, and then use the liberals as the scapegoat.
How does that help the American people? How does that make our country better? How does that secure our interests within and outside of the borders?
It doesn't. They are not interested in that. They are interested only in cementing their own power and destroying those who oppose them. You know, like any constitutional Republic government would.
It seems like the only thing that the conservatives want is for any and all diverse points of view to be annihilated. #democracy.
Maybe we need a censorship czar so those diverse viewpoints can be expressed.
....and the award for best performance in a dramatic role goes to Randy....
The owners of media do their share of dictating how the news is covered. Murdock and Bezos come to mind.
They also fund all of those political action committees. Two sides of the same coin
Rats! I thought I could sneak this one in while Frank was out of town. Did not count on such a quick recovery by him.
The PBS News Hour has a segment every Friday, Brooks & Capeheart, to discuss the weeks political headlines. Brooks is in the conservative corner but not so deep that PBS won't let him in the door - so he's in the center-left of the Right side. Anyway, as they discussed the CR, Capeheart was saying the Left was correct to chastize Shumer and those that voted with the enemy to pass the CR, and they need to resist Trump at every opportunity. Brooks made a very interesting point, that the Right was hoping they'd shoot it down so that Trump's henchmen could do some of their dastardly deeds during the shutdown that they couldn't do in normal times when the gov't is up and running; like a shutdown would give them the chance to do what the Left didn't want them to do because of an 'emergency'.
And the dance continues...
Worth pointing out that we as consumers also share some of the blame for the media. Those second tier news sites, that aren't big enough to be getting direction from the PAC's/government, are mostly doing the same thing that Fox and CNN are, because it's what we click on. The fair news sites that try to present unbiased news are fading into oblivion, because they aren't making money. We've kind of brought this upon ourselves to a degree.
The biggest problem I see is we are calling them "News" The vast amount of them are opinion channels/shows. Actual news are facts not speculation and opinion slanted one way or the other to get a certain demographic.
News is boring for the most part because it makes you think for yourself and form your own opinion and do some research.
While the opinion/ entertainment end of things only reinforce how you already see believe things to be.
So, here's a strange dilemma. Organized criminal gangs from other countries have been entering our country illegally, breaking our laws, committing the crimes they specialize in, terrorizing communities, etc. DT runs for president largely on a platform of promising to rid our country of said gangs and terrorists. Then, utilizing existing laws, he moves to make his promise good.
Democrats are baffled and dismayed. What? He can't do that, can he? Bring those criminals back! Who ever heard of a politician actually doing the things he or she said they were going to do? That's bizarre!
So, do we return to the Democrats ways of handling the situation? They had two major strategies:
1. Welcome the criminals with open arms and subsidize their activities.
2. Wring our hands and raise taxes
The current strategy is to cry "racism". However, that doesn't hold up. People are not being persecuted, or deported on basis of race, but rather on the basis of gang affiliation and known criminal activity, beginning with illegal entry into our country. MS 13 aren't here to pick strawberries. They're not "guest workers". They're here to sell fentanyl to your kids, rob your houses and businesses, and generally wreak havoc for fun and profit.
I'm just as happy to see them go.
Rant over.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I think that falls under the commentary category, not the news category.
How is this not extortion?
President Donald Trump has rescinded an executive order targeting a prestigious international law firm after it promised to abandon diversity policies and provide $40m (£31m) worth of free legal work to support White House initiatives.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2d4kex0w2ro
After reading about the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service I went to their website to apply for a job.
That's what they are...clowns
https://www.investing.com/news/company-news/hyundai-steel-invests-58b-in-louisiana-mill-93CH-3945901
I wonder what motivated them to do this?
I suppose it would eliminate some, oh, say, tariffs?
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Interesting, Steve.
William Spaniel and The Caspian Report are two youtube channels I've come to trust. The former, for Ukraine/Russia news, the latter for world economics and geopolitics.
Here's a different slant on the latest message-group snafu;
It's not biased/slanted, I promise.
https://youtu.be/YHU5HDQL6F0?si=X2RpVuSTZNIWiqm9
Having read Sun Tzu, I had to wonder if it was deliberate misinformation. I mean, why else would a rabid TDS reporter be included on a group text like that?> @peter4jc said:
Interesting piece, still never addressed why the reporter got added.
I understand and sympathize with the furor over using non-government communications, but think about it, the tech world moves at a much quicker pace than Congress. By the time Congress approves and implements something, it's obsolete, or at least quite dated. One of the reasons I didn't fault Hillary for her e-mail indiscretions, she wanted to communicate quickly and effectively, and government channels don't.
It still seems like a deliberate leak, or maybe they're all just fumbling around.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Welcome to the $65,000 Hyundai
Interesting perspectives. I don't know what disinformation you're talking about? The timeline in the group text turned out to be dead on balls accurate, to coin a phrase.
Maybe I misunderstood?
Also understand the concern about the ostensible lack of technology concerning parts of the government that require sensitive operations. The only thing that I can say to that in dealing with sensitive operations over the last few decades is it's just too **** bad.
Look, I use signal. I've been using it for years for work related things. It is strictly straight unclassified only. Signal was literally hacked a month ago. That was one instance that we knew of. I don't know how many we don't know of.
I'm sure those higher ups have ways of getting messages across securely without using their personal cell phones.
No, that was simply my initial conjecture upon first hearing of it. I still wonder if we've been told everything, probably not.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain