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Deadstroke174 · October 4

That article is full of half truths and spin. Even a normal democrat could see that. Well not the leftist who live in their little echo chamber but those democrats and independents who still possess common sense

ShawnOL · October 4

Are there any of those left?

Amos_Umwhat · October 4

@ShawnOL said:
Are there any of those left?

Only in the wild. They're media shy, so you never see or hear anything about them. Endangered species, many are currently transitioning into more intelligent beings.

TRayB · October 5

Exhibit #1

Weird: Man Becomes More Conservative As He Regains Brain Function
Politics
·
Dec 2, 2023 · BabylonBee.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a bizarre coincidence, Senator John Fetterman has suddenly become more conservative after his brain resumed working.

Previously a die-hard liberal, Fetterman has stunned audiences by staking out a variety of conservative positions over the past several weeks, at the same time as his brain regained the ability to speak in sentences. With Fetterman's cognition continually improving, conservatives have sat dumbfounded as they found themselves nodding along with the Democrat.

"I don't know if I should be worried, but Fetterman sounds like he's speaking coherently and making valid arguments," said local conservative John Rogers as he watched the Senator on television. "I should probably go check my blood pressure to make sure I'm not the one stroking out."

Fetterman initially surprised constituents with his support of Israel, hanging posters in his office of every Israeli being held hostage by Hamas. "The moment Fetterman regained the ability to form a logical train of thought, he instantly became the voice of reason in the Democratic Party," said pundit Andrew Donaldson. "Now he's out there calling for Congressional ethics rules to be applied equally to Democrats and Republicans? He's calling for a ban on China buying up farmland? I mean it's not much, but so far a partially functional Jon Fetterman is the most rational guy on that side of the aisle."

At publishing time, Fetterman had sadly suffered another stroke and become an imbecilic liberal again.

https://babylonbee.com/news/weird-man-becomes-more-conservative-as-he-regains-brain-function/

OK, before anyone gets their panties all in a bunch, this is the Babylon Bee, and is completely satirical.

edz · October 5

@TRayB said:
Exhibit #1

Weird: Man Becomes More Conservative As He Regains Brain Function
Politics
·
Dec 2, 2023 · BabylonBee.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a bizarre coincidence, Senator John Fetterman has suddenly become more conservative after his brain resumed working.

Previously a die-hard liberal, Fetterman has stunned audiences by staking out a variety of conservative positions over the past several weeks, at the same time as his brain regained the ability to speak in sentences. With Fetterman's cognition continually improving, conservatives have sat dumbfounded as they found themselves nodding along with the Democrat.

"I don't know if I should be worried, but Fetterman sounds like he's speaking coherently and making valid arguments," said local conservative John Rogers as he watched the Senator on television. "I should probably go check my blood pressure to make sure I'm not the one stroking out."

Fetterman initially surprised constituents with his support of Israel, hanging posters in his office of every Israeli being held hostage by Hamas. "The moment Fetterman regained the ability to form a logical train of thought, he instantly became the voice of reason in the Democratic Party," said pundit Andrew Donaldson. "Now he's out there calling for Congressional ethics rules to be applied equally to Democrats and Republicans? He's calling for a ban on China buying up farmland? I mean it's not much, but so far a partially functional Jon Fetterman is the most rational guy on that side of the aisle."

At publishing time, Fetterman had sadly suffered another stroke and become an imbecilic liberal again.

https://babylonbee.com/news/weird-man-becomes-more-conservative-as-he-regains-brain-function/

OK, before anyone gets their panties all in a bunch, this is the Babylon Bee, and is completely satirical.

Then again , it is Fetterman. Has been known to do and say expected things.

TRayB · October 5

@edz said:

@TRayB said:
Exhibit #1

Weird: Man Becomes More Conservative As He Regains Brain Function
Politics
·
Dec 2, 2023 · BabylonBee.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a bizarre coincidence, Senator John Fetterman has suddenly become more conservative after his brain resumed working.

Previously a die-hard liberal, Fetterman has stunned audiences by staking out a variety of conservative positions over the past several weeks, at the same time as his brain regained the ability to speak in sentences. With Fetterman's cognition continually improving, conservatives have sat dumbfounded as they found themselves nodding along with the Democrat.

"I don't know if I should be worried, but Fetterman sounds like he's speaking coherently and making valid arguments," said local conservative John Rogers as he watched the Senator on television. "I should probably go check my blood pressure to make sure I'm not the one stroking out."

Fetterman initially surprised constituents with his support of Israel, hanging posters in his office of every Israeli being held hostage by Hamas. "The moment Fetterman regained the ability to form a logical train of thought, he instantly became the voice of reason in the Democratic Party," said pundit Andrew Donaldson. "Now he's out there calling for Congressional ethics rules to be applied equally to Democrats and Republicans? He's calling for a ban on China buying up farmland? I mean it's not much, but so far a partially functional Jon Fetterman is the most rational guy on that side of the aisle."

At publishing time, Fetterman had sadly suffered another stroke and become an imbecilic liberal again.

https://babylonbee.com/news/weird-man-becomes-more-conservative-as-he-regains-brain-function/

OK, before anyone gets their panties all in a bunch, this is the Babylon Bee, and is completely satirical.

Then again , it is Fetterman. Has been known to do and say expected things.

Satire only mocks to expose truth.

Itsfine · October 5

@Stubble said:
Not a meme dumb!ăss...fact!

Wow, the anger and name calling is strong in this one.

Stubble · October 5

Nah, I was LMAO when I posted it. Just a social experiment.

Bob_Luken · October 5

Frank doubles down.

d_blades · October 5

@TRayB said:
Exhibit #1

Weird: Man Becomes More Conservative As He Regains Brain Function
Politics
·
Dec 2, 2023 · BabylonBee.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a bizarre coincidence, Senator John Fetterman has suddenly become more conservative after his brain resumed working.

Previously a die-hard liberal, Fetterman has stunned audiences by staking out a variety of conservative positions over the past several weeks, at the same time as his brain regained the ability to speak in sentences. With Fetterman's cognition continually improving, conservatives have sat dumbfounded as they found themselves nodding along with the Democrat.

"I don't know if I should be worried, but Fetterman sounds like he's speaking coherently and making valid arguments," said local conservative John Rogers as he watched the Senator on television. "I should probably go check my blood pressure to make sure I'm not the one stroking out."

Fetterman initially surprised constituents with his support of Israel, hanging posters in his office of every Israeli being held hostage by Hamas. "The moment Fetterman regained the ability to form a logical train of thought, he instantly became the voice of reason in the Democratic Party," said pundit Andrew Donaldson. "Now he's out there calling for Congressional ethics rules to be applied equally to Democrats and Republicans? He's calling for a ban on China buying up farmland? I mean it's not much, but so far a partially functional Jon Fetterman is the most rational guy on that side of the aisle."

At publishing time, Fetterman had sadly suffered another stroke and become an imbecilic liberal again.

https://babylonbee.com/news/weird-man-becomes-more-conservative-as-he-regains-brain-function/

OK, before anyone gets their panties all in a bunch, this is the Babylon Bee, and is completely satirical.

@TRayB said:

@edz said:

@TRayB said:
Exhibit #1

Weird: Man Becomes More Conservative As He Regains Brain Function
Politics
·
Dec 2, 2023 · BabylonBee.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a bizarre coincidence, Senator John Fetterman has suddenly become more conservative after his brain resumed working.

Previously a die-hard liberal, Fetterman has stunned audiences by staking out a variety of conservative positions over the past several weeks, at the same time as his brain regained the ability to speak in sentences. With Fetterman's cognition continually improving, conservatives have sat dumbfounded as they found themselves nodding along with the Democrat.

"I don't know if I should be worried, but Fetterman sounds like he's speaking coherently and making valid arguments," said local conservative John Rogers as he watched the Senator on television. "I should probably go check my blood pressure to make sure I'm not the one stroking out."

Fetterman initially surprised constituents with his support of Israel, hanging posters in his office of every Israeli being held hostage by Hamas. "The moment Fetterman regained the ability to form a logical train of thought, he instantly became the voice of reason in the Democratic Party," said pundit Andrew Donaldson. "Now he's out there calling for Congressional ethics rules to be applied equally to Democrats and Republicans? He's calling for a ban on China buying up farmland? I mean it's not much, but so far a partially functional Jon Fetterman is the most rational guy on that side of the aisle."

At publishing time, Fetterman had sadly suffered another stroke and become an imbecilic liberal again.

https://babylonbee.com/news/weird-man-becomes-more-conservative-as-he-regains-brain-function/

OK, before anyone gets their panties all in a bunch, this is the Babylon Bee, and is completely satirical.

Then again , it is Fetterman. Has been known to do and say expected things.

Satire only mocks to expose truth.

It may be satire, but it's most true.

dirtdude · October 5

That's when satire is at its finest

Itsfine · October 6

@Bob_Luken said:
Frank doubles down.

That's weird. Not sure I understand it but it's funny. 😂

Itsfine · October 6

@Stubble said:
Nah, I was LMAO when I posted it. Just a social experiment.

Okie dokie.

NorthsideSmoke · October 6

@ShawnOL said:
I hear it's all because the left won't vote yes on the bill without health care for all the illegals that have invaded the last 5 years or so. If so, it's pretty telling where their priorities and allegiances lie.

then I have some Nevada ocean front property to sale you at an extreme discount. It is and always has been against federal law for undocumented workers and illegal aliens to receive any ANY federal aid....

edz · October 6

@NorthsideSmoke said:

@ShawnOL said:
I hear it's all because the left won't vote yes on the bill without health care for all the illegals that have invaded the last 5 years or so. If so, it's pretty telling where their priorities and allegiances lie.

then I have some Nevada ocean front property to sale you at an extreme discount. It is and always has been against federal law for undocumented workers and illegal aliens to receive any ANY federal aid....

True , since 1996 I think. But have they been getting them bigger question?

dirtdude · October 6

@NorthsideSmoke said:

@ShawnOL said:
I hear it's all because the left won't vote yes on the bill without health care for all the illegals that have invaded the last 5 years or so. If so, it's pretty telling where their priorities and allegiances lie.

then I have some Nevada ocean front property to sale you at an extreme discount. It is and always has been against federal law for undocumented workers and illegal aliens to receive any ANY federal aid....

True but any hospital will treat them and rightfully so, if they need help, who pays? I think we all know.

Edit; Do you think the folks that let anywhere from 12 to 20 million people into our country the last 5 years didn't have a health care plan for all these folks. Of course they did, you pay.

NorthsideSmoke · October 6

I think before you continue to believe an obvious lie, you should know these two facts.

1 The reason the “Big Beautiful Bill” has all of these cuts to Medicare, and Medicaid and the affordable care act, is that money went to pay for the trillion dollars given to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts.

2 Total federal taxes: In 2022, undocumented immigrants paid $59.4 billion in federal taxes, which included $19.5 billion in income taxes and $32.3 billion in payroll taxes.
State and local taxes: They also paid $37.3 billion in state and local taxes, including sales, excise, and property taxes.
Effective tax rate: Undocumented immigrants are estimated to pay a higher effective state and local tax rate than the top 1% of earners in most states.
Ineligible for benefits: A significant portion of these tax payments, such as those for Social Security and Medicare, go toward programs from which undocumented workers are legally barred from receiving benefits

That’s nearly $100B per year.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD003.pdf

You didn’t pay a dime for any emergency care they may have needed, they’ve been paying in for years to federal and state programs they can’t even use….

Edit: if you yourself use any of those benefits, thank the undocumented workers for their contributions to the funds the government has been borrowing from for decades…

Sorry if these facts interfere with your political views…

NorthsideSmoke · October 6

Here’s a true story you also won’t hear on MSM

In 2014 we got a call from the unemployment department asking us for the employment records of a woman who never worked for us..

Turned out when we checked the social security number given by the department, it belonged to a Venezuelan woman who had worked for us for years.

We learned she had been using someone else’s SS# all those years.

She had been paying State and Federal taxes for someone else.

This belief that these people who Democrats and Republicans have been turning a semi blind eye towards for years are scamming the system at a rate that has been affecting you is ludicrous. The truth is they have been used for decades as a source of income by both parties to fill in the gaps from the money they have been taking from all of us.

edz · October 6

@NorthsideSmoke said:
Here’s a true story you also won’t hear on MSM

In 2014 we got a call from the unemployment department asking us for the employment records of a woman who never worked for us..

Turned out when we checked the social security number given by the department, it belonged to a Venezuelan woman who had worked for us for years.

We learned she had been using someone else’s SS# all those years.

She had been paying State and Federal taxes for someone else.

This belief that these people who Democrats and Republicans have been turning a semi blind eye towards for years are scamming the system at a rate that has been affecting you is ludicrous. The truth is they have been used for decades as a source of income by both parties to fill in the gaps from the money they have been taking from all of us.

And many more stories like that. Don't think most folks are disagreeing with the fact that many folks are very hard workers looking for a better life. That shouldn't be confused with what is legal and right, or the fact that many came and received entitlement benefits that U.S. citizens couldn't get.

ShawnOL · October 6

Undocumented? Do you mean illegal aliens? Criminals? Invaders?

edz · October 6

@ShawnOL said:
Undocumented? Do you mean illegal aliens? Criminals? Invaders?

Poorly put on my behalf, let go with non U.S. Citizen since I have no desire to accuse a group people as criminals . As to illegal...only the ones not going through proper channels. For the record, I have no problem with working towards a faster or perhaps more efficient way of getting qualified folks into securing citizenship or work visa.

ShawnOL · October 6

I have no problem with immigration. Maybe make it a much smaller amount than we have currently. Maybe 5k/annually. But when the first thing you do in America is committing a crime, all bets are off. Stay in your country and ASK PERMISSION to come here. Give us a chance to do a background check on you in your home country. Sneaking into this country should come with a lifetime ban.

NorthsideSmoke · October 6

@ShawnOL said:
Undocumented? Do you mean illegal aliens? Criminals? Invaders?

I mean the exact same type of people Trump had to fire from his resorts after the media found out how many worked for him.

ShawnOL · October 6

Yes, Trump was guilty. TDS is strong with you. Those same people.

CharlieHeis · October 6

@NorthsideSmoke said:
Here’s a true story you also won’t hear on MSM

You say this like the msm leans to the right 😂

dirtdude · October 6

There are legal avenues to come to this country correctly. My hats off to the folks who do things correctly, I've worked with them, I've worked for them. In this part of the country they are your neighbors and friends. Those who have come here correctly have much harsher criticism of those who snuck through.

Deadstroke174 · October 6

God I love the idiotic argument that illegal immigrants pay taxes. 2 items: in 2022 it’s estimated all in that they paid $100 b in various taxes yet cost taxpayers $150b. Doesn’t seem like a good thing. 2. Who cares they should not be here!!

Amos_Umwhat · October 6

There's nothing wrong with working for a better life, there's nothing wrong with enforcing the law. Perhaps a bottle of chill pills will help. Pass 'em round.

Amos_Umwhat · October 6

^^That's meant as a joke, just in case someone doesn't get it^^

NorthsideSmoke · October 6

@Deadstroke174 said:
God I love the idiotic argument that illegal immigrants pay taxes. 2 items: in 2022 it’s estimated all in that they paid $100 b in various taxes yet cost taxpayers $150b. Doesn’t seem like a good thing. 2. Who cares they should not be here!!

I posted an actual link from a government source showing how much they’ve paid and the fact they cannot use the services they pay towards… You posted vitriol.

Nice, job.. Also nice job quoting a study that itself says the number fluctuates between 10’s of billions and a 150 billion based on how you do the math. In other words inflating the actual number to offset the facts because some people can’t get enough of patting themselves on the back based in where they were born because highlight of their actual accomplishments “I was born here”

Even though the study you tried to quote literally includes the children also born here. AKA same accomplishment as you.

:golf clap:

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