even if you outlawed political parties, you'd never get rid of them. Pelosi would still collaborate with schumer and mcconnell would still collaborate with cruz. They would still conduct "party business," even if you took away their pin the tail on the donkey.
A legitimate third party would solve many of those problems, especially if it lied somewhere in the middle, but this would also maybe create more problems than it solves; it would virtually eliminate the electoral mandate where majority rules.
Citizens United hurt the process, IMO, because if nothing else, it injected a sh*tload of cash into the parties, which served to fund all kinds of talking heads and meme generators that polarized the country. Now, the bases on both sides completely fund the parties, and hence, the news. In order to keep those base members happy and the cigar money flowing, the media on both sides has skewed the headlines to appease the funding source.
Speaking of news and money, I also think that the uninterrupted media access to the capitol also hurts our modern process. Tip O'Neil once said that the reason the process worked better a generation ago was because after the cameras were off, he could go across the aisle and develop relationships (i.e.- trust) with the other side. Now that there are 330 million tv cameras out there, any republican caught having dinner with a democrat is ostricized, and is ultimately defunded by party leaders. This results in only like-party members hanging with each other, and you end up with an "other side of the island" situation. It would be great, IMO, if they would only allow access for arguments and votes on the legislative floors and ban cameras on the rest of the grounds.
"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form." -- Winston Churchill "LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
P.S. While y'all are free to adopt this meme as a personal statement on our current political choices, it's not a personal statement for me. Although if anyone's gonna puke over politics, now would be appropriate. But I laughed when I saw this because well,.... cats puke, and I couldn't decide whether to put it in the cat thread or here. I plan to early vote soon.
there is plenty of insanity and emotion-driven crap on all sides. Good governance is rational, politics on the other hand is leading everyone around by their noses with anger, that goes for dems and repubs.
@d_blades said:
I'll be holding my nose, while voting Tuesday.
Not sure that narrows it down much
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@silvermouse said:
there is plenty of insanity and emotion-driven crap on all sides. Good governance is rational, politics on the other hand is leading everyone around by their noses with anger, that goes for dems and repubs.
That is indeed true. However, I have yet to see riots, looting, taking control of entire city blocks, and threatening of violence if their man doesn't win, among other things, when repubs don't get their way.
It does sadden me that we have a government that should be ruling righteously but is awash is filth and corruption, in every nook and cranny; if all we had to deal with was petty squabbling, I'd be happy as a clam. Some would say it is the citizenry who is at fault for being aloof and letting it all happen.
Walmart decided, "nah" and put them back on display. They never actually stopped selling them, just kept them locked up to prevent the possibility of looters taking them.
Sure did. Mail in ballot weeks ago and guess what it made it there. More BS.
Everyone should vote.
We will be alright no matter the outcome tonight.
All this fear mongering is just nuts. Hell the world was going to end when Obama was elected. The country elected him twice to that fear mongering.
Not counting Trump out but he has a hard road to slug. If he loses I bet Rebuplican voters do nothing in response. If he wins well then the Dem voters will likely burn their own towns down. Brilliant.
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even if you outlawed political parties, you'd never get rid of them. Pelosi would still collaborate with schumer and mcconnell would still collaborate with cruz. They would still conduct "party business," even if you took away their pin the tail on the donkey.
A legitimate third party would solve many of those problems, especially if it lied somewhere in the middle, but this would also maybe create more problems than it solves; it would virtually eliminate the electoral mandate where majority rules.
Citizens United hurt the process, IMO, because if nothing else, it injected a sh*tload of cash into the parties, which served to fund all kinds of talking heads and meme generators that polarized the country. Now, the bases on both sides completely fund the parties, and hence, the news. In order to keep those base members happy and the cigar money flowing, the media on both sides has skewed the headlines to appease the funding source.
Speaking of news and money, I also think that the uninterrupted media access to the capitol also hurts our modern process. Tip O'Neil once said that the reason the process worked better a generation ago was because after the cameras were off, he could go across the aisle and develop relationships (i.e.- trust) with the other side. Now that there are 330 million tv cameras out there, any republican caught having dinner with a democrat is ostricized, and is ultimately defunded by party leaders. This results in only like-party members hanging with each other, and you end up with an "other side of the island" situation. It would be great, IMO, if they would only allow access for arguments and votes on the legislative floors and ban cameras on the rest of the grounds.
Am I voting? Yes....no comment
dropped my ballot off at the town hall.
96% completed in filling out my ballot.
Yes....
Voting in person
Trapped in the People's Communits Republic of Massachusetts.
Going to mask up and vote early today in person not that I don't trust mail in ballots i just don't trust myself to fill it out correctly.
I've heard reports of people waiting for hours in line for early in-person voting.
I'll be dropping my ballot off.
I will drop off my ballot tomorrow and for the 1st time ever...Mrs. Slob will actually be voting also.
just voted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBNKiez7pv4
-- Winston Churchill
"LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
P.S. While y'all are free to adopt this meme as a personal statement on our current political choices, it's not a personal statement for me. Although if anyone's gonna puke over politics, now would be appropriate. But I laughed when I saw this because well,.... cats puke, and I couldn't decide whether to put it in the cat thread or here. I plan to early vote soon.
I'll be holding my nose, while voting Tuesday.
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
Businesses in DC are boarding up the windows.... F'in insanity is rampant.
We'll see what happens if the party of Love & Tolerance loses.
there is plenty of insanity and emotion-driven crap on all sides. Good governance is rational, politics on the other hand is leading everyone around by their noses with anger, that goes for dems and repubs.
Not sure that narrows it down much
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I done did..... 👍
That is indeed true. However, I have yet to see riots, looting, taking control of entire city blocks, and threatening of violence if their man doesn't win, among other things, when repubs don't get their way.
It does sadden me that we have a government that should be ruling righteously but is awash is filth and corruption, in every nook and cranny; if all we had to deal with was petty squabbling, I'd be happy as a clam. Some would say it is the citizenry who is at fault for being aloof and letting it all happen.
WalMart has removed guns and ammunition from their stores. 🤔
That's alright, most people have already bought plenty in preparation for the coming leftist riots.
Trapped in the People's Communits Republic of Massachusetts.
Walmart decided, "nah" and put them back on display. They never actually stopped selling them, just kept them locked up to prevent the possibility of looters taking them.
Sure did. Mail in ballot weeks ago and guess what it made it there. More BS.
Everyone should vote.
We will be alright no matter the outcome tonight.
All this fear mongering is just nuts. Hell the world was going to end when Obama was elected. The country elected him twice to that fear mongering.
Not counting Trump out but he has a hard road to slug. If he loses I bet Rebuplican voters do nothing in response. If he wins well then the Dem voters will likely burn their own towns down. Brilliant.
"I ain't got no Opus's"
LLA - Lancero Lovers of America
2016 Gang War (South)
May I assss u a ?
Betting odds increasing on Old Man Herbert
Biden -220
Trump +193
Odds changed after a 5 million dollar bet on Trump to win.
"I ain't got no Opus's"
LLA - Lancero Lovers of America
2016 Gang War (South)
May I assss u a ?
Been doing this ever since the "Spice Girls" broke up....stay frosty.
Nah.
Everyone should have car insurance.
Everyone should feed their children.
Those are things that everyone should do.