"The court declared that in order for government influence to violate the First Amendment, there needs to be a "concrete link" between officials' actions and the suppression of speech.
In the Kimmel case, according to Abdo: "It's as direct a line as you could dream up."
He added: "An FCC regulator threatening legal liability against a media company for Constitutionally-protected political speech. If the First Amendment was meant to prevent censorship, this is the prime example of it.""
@ShawnOL said:
I just find it funny that after a couple decades of the left "canceling" anybody who dares disagree with them, one or two leftists get canceled and people find it inappropriate.
😂🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣
You may want to look up The National Legion of Decency, also known as the Catholic Legion of Decency. You got thangs twisted lil bro.
As is typical, we may not have enough information to accurately assess what we see on the surface.
From the article by PBS;
"Ahead of ABC’s suspension, broadcasters Nexstar and Sinclair had said they would be pulling Kimmel’s show from their affiliated stations. FCC Chairman Brendan Carr had also warned that the network and its local affiliates could face repercussions if Kimmel was not punished."
A possible backstory: Nextar and Sinclair had some kind of merger deal in place worth billions that needed FCC approval. The FCC chairman says behind the curtain, "You get rid of Kimmel, and we'll get your deal done." CBS (and/or whoever stood to profit from the merger thing says, "Why not? The show's ratings are down, and we're losing money on it." And the White House gets to puff out its chest and tell its base, "Look at us! We have the power to squelch Lefties!".
I have no idea what actually happened, but the extenuating circumstances tell me it wasn't as cut and dried as it looks.
I realized that I never really gave my opinion above, but focused on the abstracts and explanations.
Personally, I don't feel he should have been fired for those remarks, however untrue and hateful. I stand by the statement that the company has a right to do so. Perhaps they were already considering it?
Comedians have long been given a great deal of latitude, and rightly so, as Dave Chapelle has pointed out so convincingly so many times.
I wonder how many of those who cheered for Kirk's death, and were outraged at Kimmel's cancellation, called for Dave Chapelle to be cancelled a couple years back?
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@ShawnOL said:
I just find it funny that after a couple decades of the left "canceling" anybody who dares disagree with them, one or two leftists get canceled and people find it inappropriate.
😂🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣
You may want to look up The National Legion of Decency, also known as the Catholic Legion of Decency. You got thangs twisted lil bro.
So, to be clear, more eye for an eye?
if so:
We're losing eyes quickly here.
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@ShawnOL said:
I just find it funny that after a couple decades of the left "canceling" anybody who dares disagree with them, one or two leftists get canceled and people find it inappropriate.
😂🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣
You may want to look up The National Legion of Decency, also known as the Catholic Legion of Decency. You got thangs twisted lil bro.
So, to be clear, more eye for an eye?
if so:
We're losing eyes quickly here.
Nope. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the statement.
I think it goes without saying (but just in case it doesn't) that every rational person agrees that you have a right to free speech, but you don't have a right to a job if you say something out of line. I just wish it wouldn't happen, both for someone like him and someone like Shane Gillis or Dave Chapelle. I wish people would be consistent in their beliefs about issues regardless of which party supports or opposes it, as opposed to just rooting for their side to win, by any means necessary.
If a democrat thinks Dave Chapelle should have been pulled off the air for his comments on trans people, but thinks this Jimmy Kimmel situation is "facism", then I view that person as hypocritical.
If a republican thinks Dave Chapelle should still be on TV, or that Shane Gillis shouldn't have been fired from SNL, but Jimmy Kimmel deserved it, I view that person as hypocritical.
What I think doesn't matter though, I'm just whining on the internet. It all comes down to money in the end. This cancelling didn't happen because of ideology, it happened because a local broadcasting conglomerate is trying to merge with another conglomerate. If that merger is going to get approved, the FCC needs to change their rules to allow this new mega conglomerate to own a higher percentage of total over the air broadcast stations than is currently allowed. Nexstar, the company that first pulled Jimmy Kimmel off the air, isn't doing this for any moral reason, it's just money. They're buttering up to the administration.
Local news article from a month ago about the merger:
@peter4jc said:
As is typical, we may not have enough information to accurately assess what we see on the surface.
From the article by PBS;
"Ahead of ABC’s suspension, broadcasters Nexstar and Sinclair had said they would be pulling Kimmel’s show from their affiliated stations. FCC Chairman Brendan Carr had also warned that the network and its local affiliates could face repercussions if Kimmel was not punished."
A possible backstory: Nextar and Sinclair had some kind of merger deal in place worth billions that needed FCC approval. The FCC chairman says behind the curtain, "You get rid of Kimmel, and we'll get your deal done." CBS (and/or whoever stood to profit from the merger thing says, "Why not? The show's ratings are down, and we're losing money on it." And the White House gets to puff out its chest and tell its base, "Look at us! We have the power to squelch Lefties!".
I have no idea what actually happened, but the extenuating circumstances tell me it wasn't as cut and dried as it looks.
So the head of the FCC, Brendan Carr, appointed by Trump, was trying to cancel Kimmel for a while now?
Sen. Ted Cruz on his podcast Friday admonished Federal Communications Commission Chair Brendan Carr for demanding ABC suspend Jimmy Kimmel’s late night show over comments regarding Charlie Kirk — calling Carr’s actions “dangerous as hell” and “right out of ‘Goodfellas.’”
“If the government gets in the business of saying, ‘We don’t like what you, the media, have said; we’re going to ban you from the airwaves if you don’t say what we like’ — that will end up bad for conservatives,” said the Texas Republican.
And while Cruz said he liked Carr and was “thrilled” to see Kimmel’s show taken off the air, he cautioned that leveraging the FCC’s power to punish certain speech creates a concerning precedent that could leave conservatives vulnerable in a future Democratic administration.
“They will silence us,” said Cruz. “They will use this power, and they will use it ruthlessly.”
The comments are notable coming from Cruz – both as a loyalist of President Donald Trump and as chair of the Senate Commerce Committee, which has oversight authority over the FCC.
@silvermouse said:
President Donald Trump on Thursday suggested that the federal government might revoke the licenses of broadcast television networks that are "against" him.
I don't like it, if that's really the suggestion. Not at all.
I am surprised at what some consider to be a right to free speech, however. Notably, the very same people who celebrated Charlie Kirk being murdered in front of his family for exercising his right to free speech by speaking undeniable facts in a public forum, are suddenly all tore up over Jimmy Kimmel being fired for spreading disinformation over public media.
Seems a little hypocritical, doesn't it?
Yes, it does. I also think it's hypocritical of some on the right to demand the firings of people like Jimmy Kimmel, after complaining about cancel culture constantly. No one actually believes anything anymore based on principle, it's all about D vs R.
I was wondering whether any of the conservatives in here were going to say anything about Kimmel. I wasn't sure whether they'd be happy, or whether they'd call it what it is, cancel culture. I doubt you feel this way Steve, but is there anyone here who wants to make a case for why cancel culture is bad, but Jimmy Kimmel getting cancelled is good? I promise to not come after you like other people enjoy doing, I just want to hear the case for it.
I didn't hear anyone call for the cancellation if Jimmy Kimmel (but correct me if I'm wrong, with sources ) ). The first I heard about it, it was a done deal, and the show had already been pulled, a mere one day after his statements, I think.
I think the conservative glee over the cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel is a verification of what has been said by conservatives all along "It is wrong to cancel people for their political beliefs and speech." It is still wrong, but it is also always nice to see the dog that has attempted to terrorize people at the beck of it's master, turn and rend the master once in a while. This is the beast that leftists have created and used often, and, per usual, at some point the beast takes on its own life, and will turn on its creator.
Along with what his boss considered inappropriate comments, Kimmel total viewership was only 1.77 million. Sounds like a lot until you consider the population. The.comments were the final straw.
Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
"The court declared that in order for government influence to violate the First Amendment, there needs to be a "concrete link" between officials' actions and the suppression of speech.
In the Kimmel case, according to Abdo: "It's as direct a line as you could dream up."
He added: "An FCC regulator threatening legal liability against a media company for Constitutionally-protected political speech. If the First Amendment was meant to prevent censorship, this is the prime example of it.""
The Government didn't fire Kimmel. Disney did, surprisingly
Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
Just what usually happens, Disney was losing a boatload of money on the Kimmel show. Viewership down almost 2 million viewers since January. So they fire, err suspend him and blame it on Trump. That's a win/win for their side.
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
@ShawnOL said:
I just find it funny that after a couple decades of the left "canceling" anybody who dares disagree with them, one or two leftists get canceled and people find it inappropriate.
Bring back Harvey!
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
Perhaps all this will result in everyone agreeing that cancel culture is not a good thing
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Seriously, THIS…this is what is at the forefront of our current concerns. Phucking laughable.
Bottom line…you can’t fix stupidity…you can’t prevent people from saying reprehensible nonsense…there is no black and white…only gray area…there is no right or wrong…only false empathy and blind ignorance following their herd…no morality…only me, myself and I…I could go on and on but what’s the point. It’s only going to be met with more intellectual superiority by prejudice of proving one’s point…by facts or opinions pulled off the web or perhaps some grandiose analogy.
Free speech…ABSOLUTELY. However, it sure would be nice if people exercised discretion and decency wouldn’t it?????
POLITICS…**** off. This only serves to divide and redirect only to benefit both aisles. Discourse is needed to evolve. Seriously though, what has government personally done for you lately that has so enriched your life that you are willing to sacrifice relationships to argue some current point of view or the hot topic of the day.
A good cigar and the open road solve most problems.
WARNING: The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme. Proceed at your own risk.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Kamala Does Speaking Tour To Remind Nation Why Trump Is President
U.S. — With President Donald Trump's approval ratings showing signs of decline, former Vice President Kamala Harris dutifully stepped forward to launch a speaking tour to remind the nation why Trump was elected president.
Harris embarked on a media tour this week to simultaneously promote her new memoir, 107 Days, and help voters across the country remember why they voted for Donald Trump instead of her.
"It's important for people to remember why they made this decision," Harris said during one interview. "Remembering is important because of how important it is to remember. And by remembering, we are reminded of what we are remembering. And that is the important thing."
Voters who saw Harris make the rounds on talk shows this week quickly restated their relief that they had voted to elect Trump. "I had been starting to second-guess myself a little bit, but she brought it all back," said Ray Bradley, who voted for Trump last November. "Things have gotten crazy in the world, prices are still high, and the political discourse has gotten even more contentious. But as soon as I heard Kamala speaking, it reminded me of why we absolutely had to vote for Trump. Can you imagine her actually being president? That's a terrifying thought."
At publishing time, Americans from all parts of the nation expressed gratitude for Harris's willingness to remind everyone why they refused to vote for her. "She's really doing us a tremendous service right now," said another voter. "By talking, she's showing us why we wanted so desperately for her to hush."
Kamala Does Speaking Tour To Remind Nation Why Trump Is President
U.S. — With President Donald Trump's approval ratings showing signs of decline, former Vice President Kamala Harris dutifully stepped forward to launch a speaking tour to remind the nation why Trump was elected president.
Harris embarked on a media tour this week to simultaneously promote her new memoir, 107 Days, and help voters across the country remember why they voted for Donald Trump instead of her.
"It's important for people to remember why they made this decision," Harris said during one interview. "Remembering is important because of how important it is to remember. And by remembering, we are reminded of what we are remembering. And that is the important thing."
Voters who saw Harris make the rounds on talk shows this week quickly restated their relief that they had voted to elect Trump. "I had been starting to second-guess myself a little bit, but she brought it all back," said Ray Bradley, who voted for Trump last November. "Things have gotten crazy in the world, prices are still high, and the political discourse has gotten even more contentious. But as soon as I heard Kamala speaking, it reminded me of why we absolutely had to vote for Trump. Can you imagine her actually being president? That's a terrifying thought."
At publishing time, Americans from all parts of the nation expressed gratitude for Harris's willingness to remind everyone why they refused to vote for her. "She's really doing us a tremendous service right now," said another voter. "By talking, she's showing us why we wanted so desperately for her to hush."
Kamala Does Speaking Tour To Remind Nation Why Trump Is President
U.S. — With President Donald Trump's approval ratings showing signs of decline, former Vice President Kamala Harris dutifully stepped forward to launch a speaking tour to remind the nation why Trump was elected president.
Harris embarked on a media tour this week to simultaneously promote her new memoir, 107 Days, and help voters across the country remember why they voted for Donald Trump instead of her.
That's funny!! We both found it on this website!
Sorry. No credit given for also seeing it. You could have posted it quicker than Peter. I’ll take your word for it though, and we’ll say you got 2nd place. How’s that Pete?
@peter4jc said:
Don't make me guess; what's your point?
@Vision
Not really. I think I know what his point was. I figure he thinks he's smart enough to recognize a parody article, but he thinks some of us are not smart enough and he's just helping out. Thanks Pete.
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Don't know who David Pakman is, but this is what I'm talking about.
Legal experts say pulling Jimmy Kimmel from air may amount to illegal 'jawboning'
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/18/nx-s1-5545720/kimmel-abc-carr-fcc-jawboning
"The court declared that in order for government influence to violate the First Amendment, there needs to be a "concrete link" between officials' actions and the suppression of speech.
In the Kimmel case, according to Abdo: "It's as direct a line as you could dream up."
He added: "An FCC regulator threatening legal liability against a media company for Constitutionally-protected political speech. If the First Amendment was meant to prevent censorship, this is the prime example of it.""
😂🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣
You may want to look up The National Legion of Decency, also known as the Catholic Legion of Decency. You got thangs twisted lil bro.
As is typical, we may not have enough information to accurately assess what we see on the surface.
From the article by PBS;
"Ahead of ABC’s suspension, broadcasters Nexstar and Sinclair had said they would be pulling Kimmel’s show from their affiliated stations. FCC Chairman Brendan Carr had also warned that the network and its local affiliates could face repercussions if Kimmel was not punished."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/4-things-to-know-about-abcs-suspension-of-jimmy-kimmels-late-night-show#:~:text=Ahead of ABC's suspension, broadcasters,if Kimmel was not punished.
A possible backstory: Nextar and Sinclair had some kind of merger deal in place worth billions that needed FCC approval. The FCC chairman says behind the curtain, "You get rid of Kimmel, and we'll get your deal done." CBS (and/or whoever stood to profit from the merger thing says, "Why not? The show's ratings are down, and we're losing money on it." And the White House gets to puff out its chest and tell its base, "Look at us! We have the power to squelch Lefties!".
I have no idea what actually happened, but the extenuating circumstances tell me it wasn't as cut and dried as it looks.
^^ Well said.^^
I realized that I never really gave my opinion above, but focused on the abstracts and explanations.
Personally, I don't feel he should have been fired for those remarks, however untrue and hateful. I stand by the statement that the company has a right to do so. Perhaps they were already considering it?
Comedians have long been given a great deal of latitude, and rightly so, as Dave Chapelle has pointed out so convincingly so many times.
I wonder how many of those who cheered for Kirk's death, and were outraged at Kimmel's cancellation, called for Dave Chapelle to be cancelled a couple years back?
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
So, to be clear, more eye for an eye?
if so:
We're losing eyes quickly here.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
We've been kept blind by the people who actually run the world for so long anyway.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
Nope. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the statement.
I think it goes without saying (but just in case it doesn't) that every rational person agrees that you have a right to free speech, but you don't have a right to a job if you say something out of line. I just wish it wouldn't happen, both for someone like him and someone like Shane Gillis or Dave Chapelle. I wish people would be consistent in their beliefs about issues regardless of which party supports or opposes it, as opposed to just rooting for their side to win, by any means necessary.
If a democrat thinks Dave Chapelle should have been pulled off the air for his comments on trans people, but thinks this Jimmy Kimmel situation is "facism", then I view that person as hypocritical.
If a republican thinks Dave Chapelle should still be on TV, or that Shane Gillis shouldn't have been fired from SNL, but Jimmy Kimmel deserved it, I view that person as hypocritical.
What I think doesn't matter though, I'm just whining on the internet. It all comes down to money in the end. This cancelling didn't happen because of ideology, it happened because a local broadcasting conglomerate is trying to merge with another conglomerate. If that merger is going to get approved, the FCC needs to change their rules to allow this new mega conglomerate to own a higher percentage of total over the air broadcast stations than is currently allowed. Nexstar, the company that first pulled Jimmy Kimmel off the air, isn't doing this for any moral reason, it's just money. They're buttering up to the administration.
Local news article from a month ago about the merger:
https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2025/08/why-the-nexstar-tegna-merger-matters-in-cleveland.html
So the head of the FCC, Brendan Carr, appointed by Trump, was trying to cancel Kimmel for a while now?
Some sanity from Ted Cruz:
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/09/19/congress/cruz-calls-out-fcc-for-taking-down-jimmy-kimmel-00573159
Sen. Ted Cruz on his podcast Friday admonished Federal Communications Commission Chair Brendan Carr for demanding ABC suspend Jimmy Kimmel’s late night show over comments regarding Charlie Kirk — calling Carr’s actions “dangerous as hell” and “right out of ‘Goodfellas.’”
“If the government gets in the business of saying, ‘We don’t like what you, the media, have said; we’re going to ban you from the airwaves if you don’t say what we like’ — that will end up bad for conservatives,” said the Texas Republican.
And while Cruz said he liked Carr and was “thrilled” to see Kimmel’s show taken off the air, he cautioned that leveraging the FCC’s power to punish certain speech creates a concerning precedent that could leave conservatives vulnerable in a future Democratic administration.
“They will silence us,” said Cruz. “They will use this power, and they will use it ruthlessly.”
The comments are notable coming from Cruz – both as a loyalist of President Donald Trump and as chair of the Senate Commerce Committee, which has oversight authority over the FCC.
Follow the money... if you can.
Conservatives cancelled ABC long ago, good to see the libs join in, keep those scumbags on the mat
Along with what his boss considered inappropriate comments, Kimmel total viewership was only 1.77 million. Sounds like a lot until you consider the population. The.comments were the final straw.
The Government didn't fire Kimmel. Disney did, surprisingly
He was losing them money.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
Just what usually happens, Disney was losing a boatload of money on the Kimmel show. Viewership down almost 2 million viewers since January. So they fire, err suspend him and blame it on Trump. That's a win/win for their side.
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
Maybe they can find somebody funny to take his place
Bring back Harvey!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Bk8ydZbjgOg
Perhaps all this will result in everyone agreeing that cancel culture is not a good thing
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I hope Bondi is a strong prosecutor and has the ethics and moral courage to ignore political pressures.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1wgg4vgeedo
Seriously, THIS…this is what is at the forefront of our current concerns. Phucking laughable.
Bottom line…you can’t fix stupidity…you can’t prevent people from saying reprehensible nonsense…there is no black and white…only gray area…there is no right or wrong…only false empathy and blind ignorance following their herd…no morality…only me, myself and I…I could go on and on but what’s the point. It’s only going to be met with more intellectual superiority by prejudice of proving one’s point…by facts or opinions pulled off the web or perhaps some grandiose analogy.
Free speech…ABSOLUTELY. However, it sure would be nice if people exercised discretion and decency wouldn’t it?????
POLITICS…**** off. This only serves to divide and redirect only to benefit both aisles. Discourse is needed to evolve. Seriously though, what has government personally done for you lately that has so enriched your life that you are willing to sacrifice relationships to argue some current point of view or the hot topic of the day.
A good cigar and the open road solve most problems.
I see you posted this in the a.m., Jeff, but was this written last night after some adult beverages?
This is probably our biggest problem
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Kamala Does Speaking Tour To Remind Nation Why Trump Is President
U.S. — With President Donald Trump's approval ratings showing signs of decline, former Vice President Kamala Harris dutifully stepped forward to launch a speaking tour to remind the nation why Trump was elected president.
Harris embarked on a media tour this week to simultaneously promote her new memoir, 107 Days, and help voters across the country remember why they voted for Donald Trump instead of her.
"It's important for people to remember why they made this decision," Harris said during one interview. "Remembering is important because of how important it is to remember. And by remembering, we are reminded of what we are remembering. And that is the important thing."
Voters who saw Harris make the rounds on talk shows this week quickly restated their relief that they had voted to elect Trump. "I had been starting to second-guess myself a little bit, but she brought it all back," said Ray Bradley, who voted for Trump last November. "Things have gotten crazy in the world, prices are still high, and the political discourse has gotten even more contentious. But as soon as I heard Kamala speaking, it reminded me of why we absolutely had to vote for Trump. Can you imagine her actually being president? That's a terrifying thought."
At publishing time, Americans from all parts of the nation expressed gratitude for Harris's willingness to remind everyone why they refused to vote for her. "She's really doing us a tremendous service right now," said another voter. "By talking, she's showing us why we wanted so desperately for her to hush."
That's funny!! We both found it on this website!
Don't make me guess; what's your point?
Sorry. No credit given for also seeing it. You could have posted it quicker than Peter. I’ll take your word for it though, and we’ll say you got 2nd place. How’s that Pete?
@Vision
Not really. I think I know what his point was. I figure he thinks he's smart enough to recognize a parody article, but he thinks some of us are not smart enough and he's just helping out. Thanks Pete.