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waste not, want not
"We’ve all heard the proverb, “Waste not, want not.” This old saw has its origins from 1576 in, The Paradise of Dainty Devices by Richard Edwardes, a distinguished lyricist and playwright who was rumored to be an illegitimate son of Henry VIII. On page 88 the proverb was written as: “For want is nexte to waste, and shame doeth synne ensue.”
"In 1721 the saying was recorded in an easier to understand version: “Willful waste makes woeful want.” Then, on August 10, 1772 in a letter to Alexander Clark, John Wesley wrote the saying in the more familiar: “He will waste nothing; but he must want nothing.”"
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@edz said:
Times of concern for sure, and who knows. Not sure if gas shortages in the 70's with 10 % interest on houses, Nam, cold war, depression, the start of the country were any better or worse .... Not taking what you are saying lightly at all. Not saying I agree with everything going on.But it also seems as if we are in a time where political roles are changing. World is smaller and for good or bad , it seems as if money and powerful people have more ability to negotiate than countries working together.Corporate taxes in 1970 were 49% and although on paper some would say today’s corporations pay 26% there are enough loopholes that many pay far less than that.
So comparing the two economies today vs yesteryear’s is not apples to apples.
And the most hilarious thing about MAGA is their slogan Make America Great Again.
While I don’t pretend to know exactly what era “again” is referring to but. Prior to 1980 the wealthy paid 70% income tax while prior to 1960 it was over 90%.
Reagan brought us “trickle down” economics in 1980 and the wealth gap in America has steadily increased.
Just some FYI for you to ponder.
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If the wealthy paid 90% taxes, there would be no wealthy people. They've always had loopholes to dodge taxes.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
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Math is math bro, if the starting point is 90% and as you claim there were always loops holes, what's the final tally vs 37% and even more loops holes? I mean two terms and 2 trillion in cuts mostly benefiting who? Not you......
You're looking to explain away the obvious. Your guy isn't working for the middle class..
Bottom line.
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@NorthSideSmoke said:
@edz said:
Times of concern for sure, and who knows. Not sure if gas shortages in the 70's with 10 % interest on houses, Nam, cold war, depression, the start of the country were any better or worse .... Not taking what you are saying lightly at all. Not saying I agree with everything going on.But it also seems as if we are in a time where political roles are changing. World is smaller and for good or bad , it seems as if money and powerful people have more ability to negotiate than countries working together.Corporate taxes in 1970 were 49% and although on paper some would say today’s corporations pay 26% there are enough loopholes that many pay far less than that.
So comparing the two economies today vs yesteryear’s is not apples to apples.
And the most hilarious thing about MAGA is their slogan Make America Great Again.
While I don’t pretend to know exactly what era “again” is referring to but. Prior to 1980 the wealthy paid 70% income tax while prior to 1960 it was over 90%.
Reagan brought us “trickle down” economics in 1980 and the wealth gap in America has steadily increased.
Just some FYI for you to ponder.
Wasn't comparing economics. Stating that times have looked bad in the past as well, and many folks have made serious money in politics, on both sides.
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@NorthSideSmoke said:
Math is math bro, if the starting point is 90% and as you claim there were always loops holes, what's the final tally vs 37% and even more loops holes? I mean two terms and 2 trillion in cuts mostly benefiting who? Not you......You're looking to explain away the obvious. Your guy isn't working for the middle class..
Bottom line.
Darn him, he should have learned more from the Clintons and from Harris about not making money.
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Clinton left office with a balanced budget. The Trump administration after handing out yet another trillion dollars to the social elite in tax cuts, literally just asked Americans to pay extra to pay down the deficit. So while no, Trump doesn't need to ask anyone how to make money, he has perfected the art of scamming from others (just ask the poor folks who bought into his "Baja Resort").
He isn't working for you. And Yes you were comparing economics what do you think you call the price of gas? It's an economic gauge.
Fk this is why debating with MAGA is so frustrating they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.. But can't stop from patting themselves on the back after making one more completely idiotic argument.
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