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Oh, super...treatment can be as bad as the disease:
Oxygen therapy harms lung microbiome in mice
Study could have implications for treatment of reduced oxygen levels in critically ill patientshttps://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200812144114.htm
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-05/the-curious-history-of-steam-heat-and-pandemics
Note the cap worn stupid
“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
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"I could've had a Mi Querida!" Nick Bardis8 -
I assume we don't need to fact check the CDC website.
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Statistics can be misleading.
By the way, lol:
"The New York City surgeon at the center of a Medicare fraud scandal for double-booking operations is still operating, this time at a hospital in Long Island.
Dr. David Samadi, a prostate cancer specialist and one of the top-earning doctors in the city, is billed as a men’s health specialist at St. Francis Hospital in Roslyn. He left Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan in June, where he had been paid $2 million a year with an annual bonus of up to $5 million.
Lenox Hill and parent company Northwell Health agreed earlier this month to pay $12.3 million to settle federal claims that it fraudulently billed Medicare for Samadi’s overlapping surgeries and unnecessary procedures."
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@silvermouse said:
Statistics can be misleading.True, but it's harder to fake total death numbers than it is to fake covid death numbers where facilities are compensated extra money if a death is deemed covid-related vs. any other cause of death.
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Always fact check someone's interpretation of a statistic.
I assume this is the data.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htmLLA - Lancero Lovers of America0 -
“Statistical Whack-a-Mole”
It’s all about keeping fear alive.
At the beginning of the pandemic it is easy to scare everyone, because some fear is justified. Something bad is looming, and cases and deaths are both growing exponentially. Bad things are already happening in other countries, and the media is saturation reporting on it.
Fear works, and people comply.
But then as the local individual epidemics begin to peak, people begin to become complacent. So what counts as a Covid death is redefined... it is expanded. For several more weeks the tallies can be steadily padded with older cases and deaths to keep the numbers high and scary.
Fear works, and people comply.
But eventually the number of older cases and deaths to report runs out. And since the epidemics are fading there are fewer new cases to report as well. So the emphasis changes to hospitalizations and hospital capacity. Of course, every patient who has ever had it or looks like they might have had it counts, and postponed elective procedures have been mounting up.
And now there is four times less hospital capacity because they’ve closed the empty Covid wings and laid off so much of the hospital staff. And since hospitals are designed to run near capacity, and the backlog is now showing up, it is easy to scare people that our hospitals are about to overflow. There is also a strong financial incentive to admit Covid “cases.”Fear works, and people comply.
But eventually the hospital backlog wanes, and people wise up that Covid admissions are actually a small proportion of what is going on there.
And a growing percentage of people are wising up that the epidemic is waning.
So the potential for another imminent massive wave of deaths is trumpeted. To keep that threat credible we import the epidemic from a neighboring country whose epidemic is occurring later than ours.But the massive wave of deaths doesn’t materialize. And more people are wising up.
So it’s back to testing to keep the fear alive. The problem with testing though, is that you have have to test huge numbers of asymptomatic people in order to capture enough false positives and old cases in order to report significant numbers.
But since not enough people are really getting “sick” anymore, even the new “cases” (sans deaths) don’t pose a significant threat. People aren’t as scared of the disease anymore.
And more people are wising up to the fact that they are being played.So now it’s time for the big guns.
The focus switches to our children. We gotta protect our babies.
Nevermind that even when the kidlets do get it their cases are mild. They might have long-term effects, so we can’t let them go back to school. They might infect each other and kill their teachers.
Nevermind that the European schools stayed open and that the contact and DNA tracing shows that the primary vector is from adult to child, not the other way around.
More people begin to see through these tactics, and recognize that the more significant damage is being done to our children because we are terrifying them and isolating them.More people finally recognize that their respective epidemics are over, because the data are overwhelming. They are following the data.
The epidemic is scientifically and technically over.
So now we have to create a new "epidemic" by testing all the kids going back to school and college. That will work for at least a few more weeks of juicy headlines.
And of course as that panic wanes, then we’ve got the new flu season on the horizon. There will be plenty of fodder to feed the hungry 24 hour news cycle there.
And of course, until the miracle vaccine suddenly appears, we need to continue to destroy our businesses and institutions. Nevermind that humanity has never succeeded at creating a vaccine for this sort of thing before. And we have plenty of examples of healthcare disasters in our record when we rushed widespread use of insufficiently tested medicines.
This is not a new playbook. It’s been studied, practiced, and refined by epidemiologists, social scientists, and political scientists for decades. And it plays right into the hands of our politicians and our public susceptibilities.
And even the social scientists have admitted (published) that enough of the public eventually tires of the whack-a-mole game.
I think that time is now.
So it has become a war between those who are ready to move on, and those that are conditioned and addicted to the fear.
And a war between a public that loves liberty and too many politicians reluctant to relinquish their newly acquired power.
And all of this is right in sync with a major election; probably the most significant one of my lifetime. Because it’s not about a disease pandemic any more. The epidemic is scientifically and technically over. It is now about whether our country is going to be socialist or capitalist.
Especially the local, non-partisan elections.Will we live free?
Follow the data.
"I could've had a Mi Querida!" Nick Bardis10 -
As Webmost likes to say: Eggs Ackley ^^^
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain0 -
Talk about statistical whackamole.
In the event of an outbreak within a contained location, such as a correctional facility, nursing home, etc., the outbreak would count as one positive incidence of COVID-19 among inmates/residents, while the number of positive staff members will be counted at 50 percent before being added to the total case number that will be used in determining each county’s metric.
This is in regards to WVs school reopening metrics. Schools may reopen if new cases are below certain thresholds. Jails and nursing home cases (even staff) do not count as much as much as other cases.
I will say, on some level I get it. Should a county with many institutional facilities be "punished" because there are more cases reported in those hotspots? Perhaps not.
Or asked another way, do outbreaks in prisons and nursing homes reflect the true community risk of spread, i.e. what is relevant for a school reopening decision?
Seems to depend on the facility guidelines? Do they allow visitors? if there is an outbreak in a nursing home, it had to come in from somewhere. Staff go home, go to the store, and may have kids in school. Why is that 50% "as bad" as another new covid19 case?
Overall I think WV has done surprisingly well in handling the pandemic. Less pop density has slowed the spread here, but definitely a more at risk pop on average.
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Something just occurred to me. They have been complaining for years about how much pensioners are costing the US economy. Maybe they figured out a solution 🤔
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@Gray4lines said:
Talk about statistical whackamole.In the event of an outbreak within a contained location, such as a correctional facility, nursing home, etc., the outbreak would count as one positive incidence of COVID-19 among inmates/residents, while the number of positive staff members will be counted at 50 percent before being added to the total case number that will be used in determining each county’s metric.
This is in regards to WVs school reopening metrics. Schools may reopen if new cases are below certain thresholds. Jails and nursing home cases (even staff) do not count as much as much as other cases.
I will say, on some level I get it. Should a county with many institutional facilities be "punished" because there are more cases reported in those hotspots? Perhaps not.
Or asked another way, do outbreaks in prisons and nursing homes reflect the true community risk of spread, i.e. what is relevant for a school reopening decision?
Seems to depend on the facility guidelines? Do they allow visitors? if there is an outbreak in a nursing home, it had to come in from somewhere. Staff go home, go to the store, and may have kids in school. Why is that 50% "as bad" as another new covid19 case?
Overall I think WV has done surprisingly well in handling the pandemic. Less pop density has slowed the spread here, but definitely a more at risk pop on average.
Yep
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“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
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I was really hoping that was a satire site...
"Cooking isn't about struggling; It's about pleasure. It's like sǝx, with a wider variety of sauces."
At any given time the urge to sing "In The Jungle" is just a whim away... A whim away... A whim away...2 -
“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
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“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
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Worth a watch...
I'm still troubled by what I did for that Klondike bar...2 -
I read an article months ago that basically said the same thing.
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It's not about protection.
It's about election.“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
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Do this with a mask on...
I know, You're a big dog and I'm on the list.
Let's eat, GrandMa. / Let's eat GrandMa. -- Punctuation saves livesIt'll be fine once the swelling goes down.
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@IndustMech said:
Do this with a mask on...
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New rule at our hospital. Doesn’t matter if you have a mask, reusable or disposable. When they check your temp going in they hand you a new surgical style mask and you have to switch to it in front of them to be allowed in. And if you’re in their frequently you now have to be tested once every 3-5 days (patients only)
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@Bob_Luken said:
2020 the year for butherfaces everywhere to shine. 😂
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I went out for a celebratory dinner and saw that not a single person was wearing a mask, except for the wait staff. It was awesome. I can't wait for the panic over this respiratory infection to be over. Unfortunately, the left is going to keep it alive until the day after the election.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
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US confirmed cases: 5,989,470 (up 47,661 from yesterday)
US deaths: 182,982 (up 618 from yesterday)(nothing to be concerned about, until one of the deaths is in your family)
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