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    silvermousesilvermouse Posts: 19,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh, super...treatment can be as bad as the disease:

    Oxygen therapy harms lung microbiome in mice
    Study could have implications for treatment of reduced oxygen levels in critically ill patients

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200812144114.htm

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    webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2020
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


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    CharlieHeisCharlieHeis Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I assume we don't need to fact check the CDC website.

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    silvermousesilvermouse Posts: 19,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Statistics can be misleading.

    By the way, lol:

    "The New York City surgeon at the center of a Medicare fraud scandal for double-booking operations is still operating, this time at a hospital in Long Island.

    Dr. David Samadi, a prostate cancer specialist and one of the top-earning doctors in the city, is billed as a men’s health specialist at St. Francis Hospital in Roslyn. He left Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan in June, where he had been paid $2 million a year with an annual bonus of up to $5 million.

    Lenox Hill and parent company Northwell Health agreed earlier this month to pay $12.3 million to settle federal claims that it fraudulently billed Medicare for Samadi’s overlapping surgeries and unnecessary procedures."

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    CharlieHeisCharlieHeis Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @silvermouse said:
    Statistics can be misleading.

    True, but it's harder to fake total death numbers than it is to fake covid death numbers where facilities are compensated extra money if a death is deemed covid-related vs. any other cause of death.

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    Gray4linesGray4lines Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Always fact check someone's interpretation of a statistic.

    I assume this is the data.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    LLA - Lancero Lovers of America
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    Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As Webmost likes to say: Eggs Ackley ^^^

    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
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    jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @peter4jc

    Wow, Peter, me lad. You’ve been a busy boy. Nicely done.... 👍👍

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    Gray4linesGray4lines Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Talk about statistical whackamole.

    https://governor.wv.gov/News/press-releases/2020/Pages/COVID-19-UPDATE-Gov.-Justice-announces-West-Virginia-School-Re-entry-Metrics-and-Protocols.aspx

    In the event of an outbreak within a contained location, such as a correctional facility, nursing home, etc., the outbreak would count as one positive incidence of COVID-19 among inmates/residents, while the number of positive staff members will be counted at 50 percent before being added to the total case number that will be used in determining each county’s metric.

    This is in regards to WVs school reopening metrics. Schools may reopen if new cases are below certain thresholds. Jails and nursing home cases (even staff) do not count as much as much as other cases.

    I will say, on some level I get it. Should a county with many institutional facilities be "punished" because there are more cases reported in those hotspots? Perhaps not.

    Or asked another way, do outbreaks in prisons and nursing homes reflect the true community risk of spread, i.e. what is relevant for a school reopening decision?

    Seems to depend on the facility guidelines? Do they allow visitors? if there is an outbreak in a nursing home, it had to come in from somewhere. Staff go home, go to the store, and may have kids in school. Why is that 50% "as bad" as another new covid19 case?

    Overall I think WV has done surprisingly well in handling the pandemic. Less pop density has slowed the spread here, but definitely a more at risk pop on average.

    LLA - Lancero Lovers of America
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    RhamlinRhamlin Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Something just occurred to me. They have been complaining for years about how much pensioners are costing the US economy. Maybe they figured out a solution 🤔

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    RhamlinRhamlin Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gray4lines said:
    Talk about statistical whackamole.

    https://governor.wv.gov/News/press-releases/2020/Pages/COVID-19-UPDATE-Gov.-Justice-announces-West-Virginia-School-Re-entry-Metrics-and-Protocols.aspx

    In the event of an outbreak within a contained location, such as a correctional facility, nursing home, etc., the outbreak would count as one positive incidence of COVID-19 among inmates/residents, while the number of positive staff members will be counted at 50 percent before being added to the total case number that will be used in determining each county’s metric.

    This is in regards to WVs school reopening metrics. Schools may reopen if new cases are below certain thresholds. Jails and nursing home cases (even staff) do not count as much as much as other cases.

    I will say, on some level I get it. Should a county with many institutional facilities be "punished" because there are more cases reported in those hotspots? Perhaps not.

    Or asked another way, do outbreaks in prisons and nursing homes reflect the true community risk of spread, i.e. what is relevant for a school reopening decision?

    Seems to depend on the facility guidelines? Do they allow visitors? if there is an outbreak in a nursing home, it had to come in from somewhere. Staff go home, go to the store, and may have kids in school. Why is that 50% "as bad" as another new covid19 case?

    Overall I think WV has done surprisingly well in handling the pandemic. Less pop density has slowed the spread here, but definitely a more at risk pop on average.

    Yep

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    WylaffWylaff Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Cooking isn't about struggling; It's about pleasure. It's like sǝx, with a wider variety of sauces."

    At any given time the urge to sing "In The Jungle" is just a whim away... A whim away... A whim away...
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    webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2020
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


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    webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


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    YaksterYakster Posts: 25,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too bad it's been around so long, big Pharma will try and block this.

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    Trykflyr_1Trykflyr_1 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://youtu.be/SrPCgh4UkAU

    Worth a watch...

    I'm still troubled by what I did for that Klondike bar...
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    CharlieHeisCharlieHeis Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I read an article months ago that basically said the same thing.

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    webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's not about protection.
    It's about election.

    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


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    IndustMechIndustMech Posts: 4,690 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do this with a mask on...

    I know, You're a big dog and I'm on the list.
    Let's eat, GrandMa.  /  Let's eat GrandMa.  --  Punctuation saves lives

    It'll be fine once the swelling goes down.

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    deadmandeadman Posts: 8,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    New rule at our hospital. Doesn’t matter if you have a mask, reusable or disposable. When they check your temp going in they hand you a new surgical style mask and you have to switch to it in front of them to be allowed in. And if you’re in their frequently you now have to be tested once every 3-5 days (patients only)

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    Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 10,106 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    ShawnOLShawnOL Posts: 8,456 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2020

    I went out for a celebratory dinner and saw that not a single person was wearing a mask, except for the wait staff. It was awesome. I can't wait for the panic over this respiratory infection to be over. Unfortunately, the left is going to keep it alive until the day after the election.

    Trapped in the People's Communits Republic of Massachusetts.

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    silvermousesilvermouse Posts: 19,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    US confirmed cases: 5,989,470 (up 47,661 from yesterday)
    US deaths: 182,982 (up 618 from yesterday
    )

    (nothing to be concerned about, until one of the deaths is in your family)

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