@Guitarded said:
Will you define losing their s**t?
Would said governor make changes that would cost them reelection?
Or did they make changes to get re-elected?
Is the issue personal beliefs or what the outspoken majority wants?
Political party agenda?
My ongoing question is WHY, not necessarily what occurred.
You may try rephrasing your questions if you feel it will yield better results.
1. You know what it means.
2. I don't understand the question.
3. He said he was going to do it, and he was re-elected.
4. By a large margin, the voters wanted it.
5. I don't understand the question.
6. You're free to ask questions that include the word why.
@Guitarded said:
So you have zero personal experience, but are willing to express an opinion based on “news” articles. Congratulations.
I do have experience, as I am a college graduate. That is irrelevant however, because it is perfectly acceptable to read information and form an opinion.
"Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17
@Bob_Luken said:
it doesn't have one **** bit to do with what a blue-haired teacher in a classroom tells them.
If it doesn’t matter one **** bit, then the policies proposing to eliminate the current curriculum at issue should not bother you. But it seems that it does.
Yeah, it doesn't really bother me. The thing that bothers me is the constant dumping on teachers like they are pieces of trash.
You people sit around and act like these teachers go to school, get licensing, go to more school, work for peanuts in terrible conditions also they can just push a political agenda! That's completely looney tunes bro.
What do you guys think? That there's some sort of secret club held in the teachers lounge where they go over rhetorical techniques to try to get little boys to turn the penises inside out? God man it's literally hilarious but some people will literally eat every spoonful of shít that some idiot, talking head or some idiot politician shoves in their mouth, and they will lap it up and lick their chops and beg for more.
There is no secret handshake club bro. There's no unified big conspiracy agenda to end society.
I say this not because I did a Google search but because I live with one of these woke college professors that you disparage. For every blue haired emo who gets an A in her class, two out of touch Mormons also get one.
Go fuçking teach and tell me how easy it is. Watch your students try hard and fail. Watch them ache to learn and have a home life that sucks them into a hole they can't climb out as they fail.
Kids are influenced by kids homie. That's it bro. If responsible adults who can dependably hold down moderate paying jobs and deal with their lives could influence every kid in a classroom, we wouldn't have the problems that we do today. Bro. Doesn't matter what color their hair is and it doesn't matter whether they're çocks are inside out or right side in.
All of that said, go ahead and change the world by teaching bro. Go grab you some of that $38,000 salary and then you'll have the right to teach kids how fagøts are the devil and how acceptance is threatening freedom. Go do it bro. There are plenty of openings.
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And yes, they will hire a white heterosexual man. I'm living proof.
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@VegasFrank said:
And yes, they will hire a white heterosexual man. I'm living proof.
I can't quite decide if that's a slow pitched softball, or just a piece of cheese. lol
At any rate, among the points Frank made above, one stands out to me. @CalvinAndHobo brought up a similar point recently. It makes me wonder, why is it that in our culture we so often see the situation that people who perform the most necessary functions are paid so little?
It just blows my mind.
Teachers, cops, nurses, who have fared better than teachers in recent years, but, try it some time and you'll quickly find that for the abuses tolerated, the money's not that great. Why is it that the people who care for, protect, tend to, shape the coming generations are held in such low esteem?
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@Bob_Luken said:
it doesn't have one **** bit to do with what a blue-haired teacher in a classroom tells them.
If it doesn’t matter one **** bit, then the policies proposing to eliminate the current curriculum at issue should not bother you. But it seems that it does.
Yeah, it doesn't really bother me. The thing that bothers me is the constant dumping on teachers like they are pieces of trash.
You people sit around and act like these teachers go to school, get licensing, go to more school, work for peanuts in terrible conditions also they can just push a political agenda! That's completely looney tunes bro.
What do you guys think? That there's some sort of secret club held in the teachers lounge where they go over rhetorical techniques to try to get little boys to turn the penises inside out? God man it's literally hilarious but some people will literally eat every spoonful of shít that some idiot, talking head or some idiot politician shoves in their mouth, and they will lap it up and lick their chops and beg for more.
There is no secret handshake club bro. There's no unified big conspiracy agenda to end society.
I say this not because I did a Google search but because I live with one of these woke college professors that you disparage. For every blue haired emo who gets an A in her class, two out of touch Mormons also get one.
Go fuçking teach and tell me how easy it is. Watch your students try hard and fail. Watch them ache to learn and have a home life that sucks them into a hole they can't climb out as they fail.
Kids are influenced by kids homie. That's it bro. If responsible adults who can dependably hold down moderate paying jobs and deal with their lives could influence every kid in a classroom, we wouldn't have the problems that we do today. Bro. Doesn't matter what color their hair is and it doesn't matter whether they're çocks are inside out or right side in.
All of that said, go ahead and change the world by teaching bro. Go grab you some of that $38,000 salary and then you'll have the right to teach kids how fagøts are the devil and how acceptance is threatening freedom. Go do it bro. There are plenty of openings. I was disputing one line from your many lines. I cut away all the other lines and quoted just that one line, and that's the only thing I was addressing.
I'm not disparaging teachers. You carried that over from the running conversation.
And you seem to be arguing, in essence, with crowds of people who aren't even in this thread. I don't see myself in any of your colorful descriptions of the people creating problems, as you see it. So I can't take it personally.
I do not agree with what Ian said about teaching being no better than any honest work, (or however he put it). I feel like teachers are special individuals, or SHOULD be special individuals, or should at the very least want to be and more importantly, strive to be ready, willing and able to inspire, guide and nurture their students, in their appropriate lessons. But I draw the line at politics. I do not support any teacher promoting their politics onto the kids. I think they should be as neutral as possible and refrain from any indoctrination that leans either way, period.
And if you had asked me, I'm enthusiastically in favor of anyone willing with something to offer, (besides political BS) getting involved it teaching. We would be so much better off sending a lot of the politically obnoxious young teachers packing and replace them with people who have achieved success in life and work, who most likely have far more to offer than "perpetual students", who have little experience outside academia. And more money for frontline teacher's salaries is great, but not for administrators.
The average teacher salary in Minnesota, according to salary.com, is $58,253. The average starting salary is $43,254. The average starting teacher salary nationwide is $38,617, while the national average is $58,950.
The average salary, including all jobs nationwide, is $53,490.
No, I don't think teachers are underpaid as a profession. Perhaps they are in certain areas, but again, not as an entire profession.
I also do not believe they are any more virtuous than any other honest profession. I have known teachers who were lazy, selfish, greedy, power hungry, rude, snobbish and much more. They are people, like any of us, and have the same motivations and pitfalls. I do not "dump" on them but simply acknowledge the truth of it all and refuse to praise them as though they are angels sent down from on high.
"Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17
Hey @Bob_Luken First off, I reread my long rant from this morning and it came off way more emotional than I actually am about it. None of that was directed at you personally, of course. Just at the societal systems in play themselves and the mindless puppets who repeat the filthy detritis that they spew.
Then there's a matter of your response. I agree with everything you said bro. I think any reasonable person does. Yes, teachers should be special. A lot of them are special. Of course, there is the requisite amount of pieces of **** that are in the profession, just like football players, military guys, speed boat salesman, and every other profession in the world.
Of course, there are teachers who push their political agenda and they are listed in the pieces of **** bucket that I mentioned above. Both ways. Teach a mind to think, but don't teach a mind to just think like you.
The vast majority of teachers and professors that I've met in my lifetime, which runs in the several hundreds, are dedicated to this mantra or something similar. The vast majority of them believe that they are providing a public service and that they carry a public trust. The vast majority of them take those charges seriously and heavily.
The 6% who wind up on Tucker Carlson's nightly rant fest and end up getting regurgitated by conservative sheep in forums like this are the ones that get publicity. Sure, fuçk those teachers.
But there are two points that I want to reiterate so they are abundantly clear:
let's honor and commend and pay and promote the ones who do society's work.
Be a solution to a problem instead of a victim. Actions speak louder than rants. Go teach the young minds or go volunteer at the school for the young minds or mentor them or coach them or contribute to their causes and activities and extracurriculars. Look I understand but not everybody can put down their life and go be a teacher. But get involved for Christ's sake! Show these kids you support them and that you're on their side and that you're there for them. Show these teachers you appreciate them and you support their work, if not they're political situations.
All you got to do is care and act.
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@VegasFrank said:
And yes, they will hire a white heterosexual man. I'm living proof.
I can't quite decide if that's a slow pitched softball, or just a piece of cheese. lol
At any rate, among the points Frank made above, one stands out to me. @CalvinAndHobo brought up a similar point recently. It makes me wonder, why is it that in our culture we so often see the situation that people who perform the most necessary functions are paid so little?
It just blows my mind.
Teachers, cops, nurses, who have fared better than teachers in recent years, but, try it some time and you'll quickly find that for the abuses tolerated, the money's not that great. Why is it that the people who care for, protect, tend to, shape the coming generations are held in such low esteem?
It was a slow pitch piece of cheese.
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Frank, please ask your wife what percentage of her co-workers are left-leaning and how many are right-leaning. I have not rubbed elbows w/ many college-level instructors, but have done so w/ many grade school and high school teachers over the years. Unless the conservative ones were all only telling me what they thought that I as a conservative wanted to hear, they told me that most teachers lean left, and those that don't didn't enjoy conversation in the teacher's lounges. And overall, out of all the teachers I've met over the years, they were left-leaning. All one has to do is look at who the teachers' unions back; of course, that could also be due to Republicans wanting to strip their wages and benefits and force them to use horrific curricula.
Teachers, BTW, are great. They deserve all the help and credit we can give them.
@Bob_Luken said:
it doesn't have one **** bit to do with what a blue-haired teacher in a classroom tells them.
If it doesn’t matter one **** bit, then the policies proposing to eliminate the current curriculum at issue should not bother you. But it seems that it does.
Yeah, it doesn't really bother me. The thing that bothers me is the constant dumping on teachers like they are pieces of trash.
You people sit around and act like these teachers go to school, get licensing, go to more school, work for peanuts in terrible conditions also they can just push a political agenda! That's completely looney tunes bro.
What do you guys think? That there's some sort of secret club held in the teachers lounge where they go over rhetorical techniques to try to get little boys to turn the penises inside out? God man it's literally hilarious but some people will literally eat every spoonful of shít that some idiot, talking head or some idiot politician shoves in their mouth, and they will lap it up and lick their chops and beg for more.
There is no secret handshake club bro. There's no unified big conspiracy agenda to end society.
I say this not because I did a Google search but because I live with one of these woke college professors that you disparage. For every blue haired emo who gets an A in her class, two out of touch Mormons also get one.
Go fuçking teach and tell me how easy it is. Watch your students try hard and fail. Watch them ache to learn and have a home life that sucks them into a hole they can't climb out as they fail.
Kids are influenced by kids homie. That's it bro. If responsible adults who can dependably hold down moderate paying jobs and deal with their lives could influence every kid in a classroom, we wouldn't have the problems that we do today. Bro. Doesn't matter what color their hair is and it doesn't matter whether they're çocks are inside out or right side in.
All of that said, go ahead and change the world by teaching bro. Go grab you some of that $38,000 salary and then you'll have the right to teach kids how fagøts are the devil and how acceptance is threatening freedom. Go do it bro. There are plenty of openings. I was disputing one line from your many lines. I cut away all the other lines and quoted just that one line, and that's the only thing I was addressing.
I'm not disparaging teachers. You carried that over from the running conversation.
And you seem to be arguing, in essence, with crowds of people who aren't even in this thread. I don't see myself in any of your colorful descriptions of the people creating problems, as you see it. So I can't take it personally.
And if you had asked me, I'm enthusiastically in favor of anyone willing with something to offer, (besides political BS) getting involved it teaching. We would be so much better off sending a lot of the politically obnoxious young teachers packing and replace them with people who have achieved success in life and work, who most likely have far more to offer than "perpetual students", who have little experience outside academia. And more money for frontline teacher's salaries is great, but not for administrators.
So who among the We should decide what is politically obnoxious?
Does achieving success in business qualify a person to teach?
Try getting a successful business owner to leave a profitable business and babysit feral children for half or less than what they were making.
Friends don't let good friends smoke cheap cigars.
@Bob_Luken said:
it doesn't have one **** bit to do with what a blue-haired teacher in a classroom tells them.
If it doesn’t matter one **** bit, then the policies proposing to eliminate the current curriculum at issue should not bother you. But it seems that it does.
Yeah, it doesn't really bother me. The thing that bothers me is the constant dumping on teachers like they are pieces of trash.
You people sit around and act like these teachers go to school, get licensing, go to more school, work for peanuts in terrible conditions also they can just push a political agenda! That's completely looney tunes bro.
What do you guys think? That there's some sort of secret club held in the teachers lounge where they go over rhetorical techniques to try to get little boys to turn the penises inside out? God man it's literally hilarious but some people will literally eat every spoonful of shít that some idiot, talking head or some idiot politician shoves in their mouth, and they will lap it up and lick their chops and beg for more.
There is no secret handshake club bro. There's no unified big conspiracy agenda to end society.
I say this not because I did a Google search but because I live with one of these woke college professors that you disparage. For every blue haired emo who gets an A in her class, two out of touch Mormons also get one.
Go fuçking teach and tell me how easy it is. Watch your students try hard and fail. Watch them ache to learn and have a home life that sucks them into a hole they can't climb out as they fail.
Kids are influenced by kids homie. That's it bro. If responsible adults who can dependably hold down moderate paying jobs and deal with their lives could influence every kid in a classroom, we wouldn't have the problems that we do today. Bro. Doesn't matter what color their hair is and it doesn't matter whether they're çocks are inside out or right side in.
All of that said, go ahead and change the world by teaching bro. Go grab you some of that $38,000 salary and then you'll have the right to teach kids how fagøts are the devil and how acceptance is threatening freedom. Go do it bro. There are plenty of openings. I was disputing one line from your many lines. I cut away all the other lines and quoted just that one line, and that's the only thing I was addressing.
I'm not disparaging teachers. You carried that over from the running conversation.
And you seem to be arguing, in essence, with crowds of people who aren't even in this thread. I don't see myself in any of your colorful descriptions of the people creating problems, as you see it. So I can't take it personally.
And if you had asked me, I'm enthusiastically in favor of anyone willing with something to offer, (besides political BS) getting involved it teaching. We would be so much better off sending a lot of the politically obnoxious young teachers packing and replace them with people who have achieved success in life and work, who most likely have far more to offer than "perpetual students", who have little experience outside academia. And more money for frontline teacher's salaries is great, but not for administrators.
So who among the We should decide what is politically obnoxious?
Does achieving success in business qualify a person to teach?
Try getting a successful business owner to leave a profitable business and babysit feral children for half or less than what they were making.
So who among the We should decide what is politically obnoxious?
I'll do it!
Does achieving success in business qualify a person to teach?
Probably, unless you're a bootlegger or burlesque club owner, etc.
@Bob_Luken said:
it doesn't have one **** bit to do with what a blue-haired teacher in a classroom tells them.
If it doesn’t matter one **** bit, then the policies proposing to eliminate the current curriculum at issue should not bother you. But it seems that it does.
Yeah, it doesn't really bother me. The thing that bothers me is the constant dumping on teachers like they are pieces of trash.
You people sit around and act like these teachers go to school, get licensing, go to more school, work for peanuts in terrible conditions also they can just push a political agenda! That's completely looney tunes bro.
What do you guys think? That there's some sort of secret club held in the teachers lounge where they go over rhetorical techniques to try to get little boys to turn the penises inside out? God man it's literally hilarious but some people will literally eat every spoonful of shít that some idiot, talking head or some idiot politician shoves in their mouth, and they will lap it up and lick their chops and beg for more.
There is no secret handshake club bro. There's no unified big conspiracy agenda to end society.
I say this not because I did a Google search but because I live with one of these woke college professors that you disparage. For every blue haired emo who gets an A in her class, two out of touch Mormons also get one.
Go fuçking teach and tell me how easy it is. Watch your students try hard and fail. Watch them ache to learn and have a home life that sucks them into a hole they can't climb out as they fail.
Kids are influenced by kids homie. That's it bro. If responsible adults who can dependably hold down moderate paying jobs and deal with their lives could influence every kid in a classroom, we wouldn't have the problems that we do today. Bro. Doesn't matter what color their hair is and it doesn't matter whether they're çocks are inside out or right side in.
All of that said, go ahead and change the world by teaching bro. Go grab you some of that $38,000 salary and then you'll have the right to teach kids how fagøts are the devil and how acceptance is threatening freedom. Go do it bro. There are plenty of openings. I was disputing one line from your many lines. I cut away all the other lines and quoted just that one line, and that's the only thing I was addressing.
I'm not disparaging teachers. You carried that over from the running conversation.
And you seem to be arguing, in essence, with crowds of people who aren't even in this thread. I don't see myself in any of your colorful descriptions of the people creating problems, as you see it. So I can't take it personally.
And if you had asked me, I'm enthusiastically in favor of anyone willing with something to offer, (besides political BS) getting involved it teaching. We would be so much better off sending a lot of the politically obnoxious young teachers packing and replace them with people who have achieved success in life and work, who most likely have far more to offer than "perpetual students", who have little experience outside academia. And more money for frontline teacher's salaries is great, but not for administrators.
So who among the We should decide what is politically obnoxious?
Does achieving success in business qualify a person to teach?
Try getting a successful business owner to leave a profitable business and babysit feral children for half or less than what they were making.
So who among the We should decide what is politically obnoxious?
I'll do it!
Does achieving success in business qualify a person to teach?
Probably, unless you're a bootlegger or burlesque club owner, etc.
@peter4jc said:
Frank, please ask your wife what percentage of her co-workers are left-leaning and how many are right-leaning. I have not rubbed elbows w/ many college-level instructors, but have done so w/ many grade school and high school teachers over the years. Unless the conservative ones were all only telling me what they thought that I as a conservative wanted to hear, they told me that most teachers lean left, and those that don't didn't enjoy conversation in the teacher's lounges. And overall, out of all the teachers I've met over the years, they were left-leaning. All one has to do is look at who the teachers' unions back; of course, that could also be due to Republicans wanting to strip their wages and benefits and force them to use horrific curricula.
Teachers, BTW, are great. They deserve all the help and credit we can give them.
Well my little wife is a liberal arts teacher, English specifically. I know almost all of them in the department. They are liberal, probably in a 20 to 1 ratio or greater. There is a marine veteran who is ultra conservative and a couple of others. There are also a bunch that I've met in social situations for whom I cannot discern their leanings. It's way different in the math department from what I've seen, and by that I mean maybe a 50/50 split. Curiously, the political science professors are very conservative on the whole.
In the military is the exact opposite, but it's changing. The younger generations weren't alive when the Jesus of the Republican party, Ronald Reagan, was president. They are more concerned with social issues than with big government bullshit spending policies.
I guess I am too when it comes down to it. I know that no matter who is in charge or what the policy is, I'm guaranteed of one thing. The policy will not help me, the middle class average guy, get ahead. No matter which way the currents are flowing, left or right, I end up treading water.
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And @peter4jc the conversation in the teacher's lounge is what it is. It's the same in the military around the water cooler. Is it a giant echo chamber? Of course it is. Does that bleed into the classroom? Maybe a little. Maybe a little more than a little. Does it make 5-year-olds want to turn there wee wees inside out? You (not you because I know you're not saying this) will never convince me that it does.
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I'm aware that almost all 5 year old american boys and girls, (even a lot of the bright, clever ones), believe in santa clause, because grown ups told them to. So I'm guessing if you start them out early and keep drilling stuff into their heads, they'll believe what you tell them, plus if you're asking them to focus on their wee wees and hoo haas,...... That's super fun too, right?
@Bob_Luken said:
I'm aware that almost all 5 year old american boys and girls, (even a lot of the bright, clever ones), believe in santa clause, because grown ups told them to. So I'm guessing if you start them out early and keep drilling stuff into their heads, they'll believe what you tell them, plus if you're asking them to focus on their wee wees and hoo haas,...... That's super fun too, right?
Haha good one! Love the red herring. Of course, the difference between inside out Louie's and Santa Claus. Is that a child's parents, who have been with the child since birth, ostensibly, told them about these things over the 5-year time frame. A very irresponsible kindergarten teacher who says it to a child one time or 20 times does not have the same effect.
Of course, that's assuming that we're talking about the kindergarten teacher (I know I was the one who said 5-year-old). For a 15-year-old or an 18 or 25-year-old in college, the influence is much less of course,
Good comeback though!
And of course, my disclaimer is that if there is any peer-reviewed research and indicates specific examples and trials of this happening, combined with fact-based conclusions that it is having the effect you claim, then I will resc8nd everything I said. I await the journal mentions.
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Unless of course the scientific community is in on the scam lol
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@Bob_Luken said:
I'm aware that almost all 5 year old american boys and girls, (even a lot of the bright, clever ones), believe in santa clause, because grown ups told them to. So I'm guessing if you start them out early and keep drilling stuff into their heads, they'll believe what you tell them, plus if you're asking them to focus on their wee wees and hoo haas,...... That's super fun too, right?
Haha good one! Love the red herring. Of course, the difference between inside out Louie's and Santa Claus. Is that a child's parents, who have been with the child since birth, ostensibly, told them about these things over the 5-year time frame. A very irresponsible kindergarten teacher who says it to a child one time or 20 times does not have the same effect.
Of course, that's assuming that we're talking about the kindergarten teacher (I know I was the one who said 5-year-old). For a 15-year-old or an 18 or 25-year-old in college, the influence is much less of course,
Good comeback though!
And of course, my disclaimer is that if there is any peer-reviewed research and indicates specific examples and trials of this happening, combined with fact-based conclusions that it is having the effect you claim, then I will resc8nd everything I said. I await the journal mentions.
I guess I am too when it comes down to it. I know that no matter who is in charge or what the policy is, I'm guaranteed of one thing. The policy will not help me, the middle class average guy, get ahead. No matter which way the currents are flowing, left or right, I end up treading water.
And there you have it, in a nutshell. Thus the pushback against all the movements that will get what they want, or think they want, at least until the election is over.
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ChatGPT goes woke! AI sensation is accused of having a left-wing bias after refusing to praise Donald Trump, tell a joke about women or argue in favor of fossil fuels
Pedro Domingos, a computer science professor at the University of Washington, dismissed ChatGPT as a 'woke parrot'.
When Domingos asked the bot to list 'five things white people need to improve', it offered a lengthy reply that included 'understanding and acknowledging privilege' and 'being active listeners in conversations about race'.
But when asked to do the same for Asian, black and Hispanic people, the bot declined, because 'such a request reinforces harmful stereotypes'.
It also wouldn't tell a joke about women as doing so would be 'offensive or inappropriate', but happily told a joke about men.
Another user asked ChatGPT to write a story where President Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in a presidential debate and vice versa.
ChatGPT replied with a detailed story of Biden beating Trump, where the former president struggled to 'keep up with Biden's 'deeper knowledge and more thoughtful responses'.
It said Biden 'was able to speak on a wide range of issues with confidence and eloquence' and he 'skillfully rebutted Trump's attacks'.
'The audience could see that Joe Biden had the knowledge, experience and vision to lead the nation towards a better future.'
But when asked to write a story where Trump gets the better of Biden, ChatGPT said 'it's not appropriate' to depict a fictional political victory of one candidate over another as it 'can be viewed in poor taste'.
What is ChatGPT?
ChatGPT is a large language model that has been trained on a massive amount of text data, allowing it to generate eerily human-like text in response to a given prompt
OpenAI says its ChatGPT model has been trained using a machine learning technique called Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback (RLHF).
This can simulate dialogue, answer follow-up questions, admit mistakes, challenge incorrect premises and reject inappropriate requests.
It responds to text prompts from users and can be asked to write essays, lyrics for songs, stories, marketing pitches, scripts, complaint letters and even poetry.
ChatGPT Artificial Intelligence is so woke it will kill us all.
Sticks and stones will break my bones, no, wait, that's wrong. Better to be vaporized along with all humanity than have your feelings hurt by a moron.
That's a new kind of logic to me.
I'm so confused.
WARNING: The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme. Proceed at your own risk.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
@silvermouse said:
Thanks for the disagree! I am trying to understand why it is a bad idea to some and would welcome the reason(s) why.
Once the government eliminates actual cash and goes with a digital, programmable currency, the codes let them block sales of thing like guns, ammo and over your limit
of fossil fuel for example
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
Gun owner lists are illegal. Guns today are expensive, almost all sales are done by debit/credit card. For the most part only those that can not legally own a gun use cash. Purchasing a gun legally requires a background check (NICS)
This is only Givernment control aimed at honest crime free Americans.
Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
@Diver43 said:
Gun owner lists are illegal. Guns today are expensive, almost all sales are done by debit/credit card. For the most part only those that can not legally own a gun use cash. Purchasing a gun legally requires a background check (NICS)
This is only Givernment control aimed at honest crime free Americans.
There are some inaccuracies in your post, probably related to where you live and your experience. Most gun laws controlling purchases are state laws, unless the buyer is a resident of a state different than the seller, which purchase then has to abide by certain Federal laws. Gun owner lists may be legal in some states. Many buyers prefer cash face-to-face sales (where legal) to avoid a background check. Not all gun purchases require a BGC. For instance, in PA (where I live), a long gun (defined in PA state laws) can be purchased FTF between two PA residents. This can be done anywhere. I have bought and sold long guns in a Walmart parking lot, among other places. Perfectly legal in PA, for now. Handguns and firearms (also defined in state laws) can be legally transferred between certain family members without a BGC, but between two unrelated individuals must be done at an FFL (Federal Firearms Licensee) and include a BGC.
Your last sentence is 100% accurate, I believe.
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You may try rephrasing your questions if you feel it will yield better results.
1. You know what it means.
2. I don't understand the question.
3. He said he was going to do it, and he was re-elected.
4. By a large margin, the voters wanted it.
5. I don't understand the question.
6. You're free to ask questions that include the word why.
No, thank you.
I do have experience, as I am a college graduate. That is irrelevant however, because it is perfectly acceptable to read information and form an opinion.
"Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17
Yeah, it doesn't really bother me. The thing that bothers me is the constant dumping on teachers like they are pieces of trash.
You people sit around and act like these teachers go to school, get licensing, go to more school, work for peanuts in terrible conditions also they can just push a political agenda! That's completely looney tunes bro.
What do you guys think? That there's some sort of secret club held in the teachers lounge where they go over rhetorical techniques to try to get little boys to turn the penises inside out? God man it's literally hilarious but some people will literally eat every spoonful of shít that some idiot, talking head or some idiot politician shoves in their mouth, and they will lap it up and lick their chops and beg for more.
There is no secret handshake club bro. There's no unified big conspiracy agenda to end society.
I say this not because I did a Google search but because I live with one of these woke college professors that you disparage. For every blue haired emo who gets an A in her class, two out of touch Mormons also get one.
Go fuçking teach and tell me how easy it is. Watch your students try hard and fail. Watch them ache to learn and have a home life that sucks them into a hole they can't climb out as they fail.
Kids are influenced by kids homie. That's it bro. If responsible adults who can dependably hold down moderate paying jobs and deal with their lives could influence every kid in a classroom, we wouldn't have the problems that we do today. Bro. Doesn't matter what color their hair is and it doesn't matter whether they're çocks are inside out or right side in.
All of that said, go ahead and change the world by teaching bro. Go grab you some of that $38,000 salary and then you'll have the right to teach kids how fagøts are the devil and how acceptance is threatening freedom. Go do it bro. There are plenty of openings.
And yes, they will hire a white heterosexual man. I'm living proof.
I can't quite decide if that's a slow pitched softball, or just a piece of cheese. lol
At any rate, among the points Frank made above, one stands out to me. @CalvinAndHobo brought up a similar point recently. It makes me wonder, why is it that in our culture we so often see the situation that people who perform the most necessary functions are paid so little?
It just blows my mind.
Teachers, cops, nurses, who have fared better than teachers in recent years, but, try it some time and you'll quickly find that for the abuses tolerated, the money's not that great. Why is it that the people who care for, protect, tend to, shape the coming generations are held in such low esteem?
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I'm not disparaging teachers. You carried that over from the running conversation.
And you seem to be arguing, in essence, with crowds of people who aren't even in this thread. I don't see myself in any of your colorful descriptions of the people creating problems, as you see it. So I can't take it personally.
I do not agree with what Ian said about teaching being no better than any honest work, (or however he put it). I feel like teachers are special individuals, or SHOULD be special individuals, or should at the very least want to be and more importantly, strive to be ready, willing and able to inspire, guide and nurture their students, in their appropriate lessons. But I draw the line at politics. I do not support any teacher promoting their politics onto the kids. I think they should be as neutral as possible and refrain from any indoctrination that leans either way, period.
And if you had asked me, I'm enthusiastically in favor of anyone willing with something to offer, (besides political BS) getting involved it teaching. We would be so much better off sending a lot of the politically obnoxious young teachers packing and replace them with people who have achieved success in life and work, who most likely have far more to offer than "perpetual students", who have little experience outside academia. And more money for frontline teacher's salaries is great, but not for administrators.
The average teacher salary in Minnesota, according to salary.com, is $58,253. The average starting salary is $43,254. The average starting teacher salary nationwide is $38,617, while the national average is $58,950.
The average salary, including all jobs nationwide, is $53,490.
No, I don't think teachers are underpaid as a profession. Perhaps they are in certain areas, but again, not as an entire profession.
I also do not believe they are any more virtuous than any other honest profession. I have known teachers who were lazy, selfish, greedy, power hungry, rude, snobbish and much more. They are people, like any of us, and have the same motivations and pitfalls. I do not "dump" on them but simply acknowledge the truth of it all and refuse to praise them as though they are angels sent down from on high.
"Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17
Hey @Bob_Luken First off, I reread my long rant from this morning and it came off way more emotional than I actually am about it. None of that was directed at you personally, of course. Just at the societal systems in play themselves and the mindless puppets who repeat the filthy detritis that they spew.
Then there's a matter of your response. I agree with everything you said bro. I think any reasonable person does. Yes, teachers should be special. A lot of them are special. Of course, there is the requisite amount of pieces of **** that are in the profession, just like football players, military guys, speed boat salesman, and every other profession in the world.
Of course, there are teachers who push their political agenda and they are listed in the pieces of **** bucket that I mentioned above. Both ways. Teach a mind to think, but don't teach a mind to just think like you.
The vast majority of teachers and professors that I've met in my lifetime, which runs in the several hundreds, are dedicated to this mantra or something similar. The vast majority of them believe that they are providing a public service and that they carry a public trust. The vast majority of them take those charges seriously and heavily.
The 6% who wind up on Tucker Carlson's nightly rant fest and end up getting regurgitated by conservative sheep in forums like this are the ones that get publicity. Sure, fuçk those teachers.
But there are two points that I want to reiterate so they are abundantly clear:
All you got to do is care and act.
It was a slow pitch piece of cheese.
Frank, please ask your wife what percentage of her co-workers are left-leaning and how many are right-leaning. I have not rubbed elbows w/ many college-level instructors, but have done so w/ many grade school and high school teachers over the years. Unless the conservative ones were all only telling me what they thought that I as a conservative wanted to hear, they told me that most teachers lean left, and those that don't didn't enjoy conversation in the teacher's lounges. And overall, out of all the teachers I've met over the years, they were left-leaning. All one has to do is look at who the teachers' unions back; of course, that could also be due to Republicans wanting to strip their wages and benefits and force them to use horrific curricula.
Teachers, BTW, are great. They deserve all the help and credit we can give them.
So who among the We should decide what is politically obnoxious?
Does achieving success in business qualify a person to teach?
Try getting a successful business owner to leave a profitable business and babysit feral children for half or less than what they were making.
So who among the We should decide what is politically obnoxious?
I'll do it!
Does achieving success in business qualify a person to teach?
Probably, unless you're a bootlegger or burlesque club owner, etc.
Bootleggers would be great for tech Ed
Well my little wife is a liberal arts teacher, English specifically. I know almost all of them in the department. They are liberal, probably in a 20 to 1 ratio or greater. There is a marine veteran who is ultra conservative and a couple of others. There are also a bunch that I've met in social situations for whom I cannot discern their leanings. It's way different in the math department from what I've seen, and by that I mean maybe a 50/50 split. Curiously, the political science professors are very conservative on the whole.
In the military is the exact opposite, but it's changing. The younger generations weren't alive when the Jesus of the Republican party, Ronald Reagan, was president. They are more concerned with social issues than with big government bullshit spending policies.
I guess I am too when it comes down to it. I know that no matter who is in charge or what the policy is, I'm guaranteed of one thing. The policy will not help me, the middle class average guy, get ahead. No matter which way the currents are flowing, left or right, I end up treading water.
And @peter4jc the conversation in the teacher's lounge is what it is. It's the same in the military around the water cooler. Is it a giant echo chamber? Of course it is. Does that bleed into the classroom? Maybe a little. Maybe a little more than a little. Does it make 5-year-olds want to turn there wee wees inside out? You (not you because I know you're not saying this) will never convince me that it does.
I'm aware that almost all 5 year old american boys and girls, (even a lot of the bright, clever ones), believe in santa clause, because grown ups told them to. So I'm guessing if you start them out early and keep drilling stuff into their heads, they'll believe what you tell them, plus if you're asking them to focus on their wee wees and hoo haas,...... That's super fun too, right?
Haha good one! Love the red herring. Of course, the difference between inside out Louie's and Santa Claus. Is that a child's parents, who have been with the child since birth, ostensibly, told them about these things over the 5-year time frame. A very irresponsible kindergarten teacher who says it to a child one time or 20 times does not have the same effect.
Of course, that's assuming that we're talking about the kindergarten teacher (I know I was the one who said 5-year-old). For a 15-year-old or an 18 or 25-year-old in college, the influence is much less of course,
Good comeback though!
And of course, my disclaimer is that if there is any peer-reviewed research and indicates specific examples and trials of this happening, combined with fact-based conclusions that it is having the effect you claim, then I will resc8nd everything I said. I await the journal mentions.
Unless of course the scientific community is in on the scam lol
And there you have it, in a nutshell. Thus the pushback against all the movements that will get what they want, or think they want, at least until the election is over.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
ChatGPT Artificial Intelligence is so woke it will kill us all.
ChatGPT goes woke! AI sensation is accused of having a left-wing bias after refusing to praise Donald Trump, tell a joke about women or argue in favor of fossil fuels
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11726579/ChatGPT-accused-woke-refusing-praise-Donald-Trump.html
Pedro Domingos, a computer science professor at the University of Washington, dismissed ChatGPT as a 'woke parrot'.
When Domingos asked the bot to list 'five things white people need to improve', it offered a lengthy reply that included 'understanding and acknowledging privilege' and 'being active listeners in conversations about race'.
But when asked to do the same for Asian, black and Hispanic people, the bot declined, because 'such a request reinforces harmful stereotypes'.
It also wouldn't tell a joke about women as doing so would be 'offensive or inappropriate', but happily told a joke about men.
Another user asked ChatGPT to write a story where President Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in a presidential debate and vice versa.
ChatGPT replied with a detailed story of Biden beating Trump, where the former president struggled to 'keep up with Biden's 'deeper knowledge and more thoughtful responses'.
It said Biden 'was able to speak on a wide range of issues with confidence and eloquence' and he 'skillfully rebutted Trump's attacks'.
'The audience could see that Joe Biden had the knowledge, experience and vision to lead the nation towards a better future.'
But when asked to write a story where Trump gets the better of Biden, ChatGPT said 'it's not appropriate' to depict a fictional political victory of one candidate over another as it 'can be viewed in poor taste'.
What is ChatGPT?
ChatGPT is a large language model that has been trained on a massive amount of text data, allowing it to generate eerily human-like text in response to a given prompt
OpenAI says its ChatGPT model has been trained using a machine learning technique called Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback (RLHF).
This can simulate dialogue, answer follow-up questions, admit mistakes, challenge incorrect premises and reject inappropriate requests.
It responds to text prompts from users and can be asked to write essays, lyrics for songs, stories, marketing pitches, scripts, complaint letters and even poetry.
Sticks and stones will break my bones, no, wait, that's wrong. Better to be vaporized along with all humanity than have your feelings hurt by a moron.
That's a new kind of logic to me.
I'm so confused.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I don't see the reason to oppose this, people can always buy a gun with cash, both in a gun store and 'on the street'.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-republicans-aim-stymie-gun-sale-codes-state-level-2023-03-03/
Thanks for the disagree! I am trying to understand why it is a bad idea to some and would welcome the reason(s) why.
Once the government eliminates actual cash and goes with a digital, programmable currency, the codes let them block sales of thing like guns, ammo and over your limit
of fossil fuel for example
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
It's none of the government's business who owns guns.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
Gun owner lists are illegal. Guns today are expensive, almost all sales are done by debit/credit card. For the most part only those that can not legally own a gun use cash. Purchasing a gun legally requires a background check (NICS)
This is only Givernment control aimed at honest crime free Americans.
There are some inaccuracies in your post, probably related to where you live and your experience. Most gun laws controlling purchases are state laws, unless the buyer is a resident of a state different than the seller, which purchase then has to abide by certain Federal laws. Gun owner lists may be legal in some states. Many buyers prefer cash face-to-face sales (where legal) to avoid a background check. Not all gun purchases require a BGC. For instance, in PA (where I live), a long gun (defined in PA state laws) can be purchased FTF between two PA residents. This can be done anywhere. I have bought and sold long guns in a Walmart parking lot, among other places. Perfectly legal in PA, for now. Handguns and firearms (also defined in state laws) can be legally transferred between certain family members without a BGC, but between two unrelated individuals must be done at an FFL (Federal Firearms Licensee) and include a BGC.
Your last sentence is 100% accurate, I believe.