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  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmm...,

    North Korea, Jerusalem, it's kind of seeming like our fearless leader is making a habit of sticking things in hornets nests. 

    Just a thought.

     :/
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  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmm...,

    North Korea, Jerusalem, it's kind of seeming like our fearless leader is making a habit of sticking things in hornets nests. 

    Just a thought.

     :/
    You left out Washington D.C.
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jd50ae said:
    Hmm...,

    North Korea, Jerusalem, it's kind of seeming like our fearless leader is making a habit of sticking things in hornets nests. 

    Just a thought.

     :/
    You left out Washington D.C.

    Good point.
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  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, he should just ignore whats happening?

    Just like with the NAACP issue, damned by some if you do, damned by the rest if you dont.
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  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Diver43 said:
    So, he should just ignore whats happening?

    Just like with the NAACP issue, damned by some if you do, damned by the rest if you dont.

    What's happening is, what?  Is there something new in the Middle East that requires us to move the embassy?  

    N Korea's making all the same noises they always have, albeit with nuclear possibility.  So, bears watching and some maneuvering, OK.  

    But, what's the point of Jerusalem?  Why move the embassy there?  Other than to satisfy certain segments of U.S. voters, whose business it really isn't, or to piss off the entire Muslim world, and thumb our nose at all our other allies who've come out against the move.

    Or, to incite conflict that will enrich the Military Industrial Complex?

    I will certainly agree that damned if you do and damned if you don't has become one of the most common aspects of modern politics.  Is there something going on that I'm missing?
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  • webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
     Is there something going on that I'm missing?
    Jtown is their capital, Amos. Fact. Simple. Where did you think their capital is? That's where they say it is. That's where the Knesset meets. Been their capital since 1948. I think it was rich Brit mega-banker Rothschild left them money in his will to build the capital complex. Before that, all the way back to David, if you read that book, that's been their capital. Rome was seven hills in the woods, London was a bend in the river, Washington a swamp, that was already their capital.

    But the point is, Amos, you're the country, you get to say where your capital is, don't you? Trump doesn't get to say Montreal is the capital of Canada. That would be absurd. Scotland doesn't get to say Vegas is our capital. The hell would that be?

    Why pretend at all? What has pretense accomplished so far? Anything? At all?

    Maybe we should move our embassy to Tripoli cause Benghazi is too dangerous ... Wait! Tripoli is the capital of Libya, innit? How'd that work out?

    It's gotten to where the man's a jackass cause he states a simple fact. Not that he's not a jackass, mind you ... but this is not why. All he has to do is cite fact and the leftmedia goes bananas. Get a grip. 


    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    I'm well aware of the ancient and biblical history, however, for some reason I thought, or had "learned", or just assumed, that in modern days Tel Aviv was where the Knesset did meet.  That this was some sort of compromise that had been made long ago and that we were going along with what they were doing.  So, in that light it makes more sense.  My bad.

    I keep having hope that Trump the Disrupter is going to be good for Washington.  Sometimes the ground seems pretty shaky. 

    I agree about the media, obviously, but I feel safe in saying that Left and Right are about equally obnoxious, dishonest, self-serving, and egocentric.


    BTW, just an aside, I loved the Clown Shoes cartoon.  I used to imagine those on Bill Clinton after the ML/BJ blue dress scandal.
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  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One important fact. Nothing, and I mean nothing, can be done or will be done, in that part of the world that will end the absolute hatred by everyone for everyone else. And it is in the smallest "towns". Neighbor against neighbor all the way up to "government" against "government". 

    I also loved shoes.
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wasn't the decision to move the embassy made by Bill Clinton?  1995 I think.  It has been put off every six months since.  Israel is our Allie and it is what they desire. It may piss of some others but, most but the left want it.
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  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That could be.  

    I've been thinking about the whole Tel Aviv thing.  I seemed to remember learning that it was the capital of the country of Israel, probably in about 1968, and that Jerusalem was the religious capital.  I guess I've never really considered it since.  

    The way it's been presented recently has been as if Trump suddenly decided, purportedly against all advice, that this move would be made.  For me, it's simple.  Do the majority of Israelis want it?  OK with me.  

    JD makes a good point above, NOTHING is ever going to satisfy most of the folks in the area.  My original point came from a feeling that we need to stop butting in where we're not wanted, but if Israel wants it in Jerusalem, and Tel Aviv is not the capital, that's what counts.  
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  • webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Something I'm curious about, watching this Stormy Daniels thing unravel, is this:

    Has she been charged with prostitution?  If not, why not?  Because, as I see it, and I'm no expert but still, if it wasn't prostitution, and was consensual and then she demands hush money, isn't that blackmail?  

    And, isn't blackmail illegal?

    I mean, Monica Lewinsky, Stormy Daniels, I don't give a rip.  I feel sorry for the respective wives, but can't see the logic in tying up any tax dollars, any at all, in pursuit of this nonsense.

    Just my opinion.
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  • ForMudForMud Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I could careless who's banging who.....It's just the lie part that gets everyone all worked up....It didn't work very well for horn dog Bill. 
  • deadmandeadman Posts: 8,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Something I'm curious about, watching this Stormy Daniels thing unravel, is this:

    Has she been charged with prostitution?  If not, why not?  Because, as I see it, and I'm no expert but still, if it wasn't prostitution, and was consensual and then she demands hush money, isn't that blackmail?  

    And, isn't blackmail illegal?

    I mean, Monica Lewinsky, Stormy Daniels, I don't give a rip.  I feel sorry for the respective wives, but can't see the logic in tying up any tax dollars, any at all, in pursuit of this nonsense.

    Just my opinion.
    Agreed, blackmail is illegal and let’s face it like Trump or hate I don’t care but this has got to be illegal 
  • webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I bet muleface has billed the taxpayers for every one of her vids.
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Heard Mr. Trump addressing the NFL players "protest" actions today.  

    I knew there was something about him I liked.  
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    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • 0patience0patience Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you've ever been in a position to see a soldier or fellow soldier go down charged with your protection or safety, then you would probably never be in agreement with the protests.
    Protest, but doing it while the national anthem is played is disrespectful to the nation and the person singing it. 

    Part of the loss of viewers for the NFL wasn't so much the protests, but the drama that was focused on the national anthem. People got tired of it and started tuning out.

    Even in the early 80s, some pro sport contracts had clauses, for lack of a better term, regarding on field conduct and even some off field conduct. And it was at the discretion of the team management. Fines, benching/discipline or release/trade were real penalties.

    As an American Indian, I get offended by non-indian people being offended by teams calling themselves Braves, Redskins or Warriors. 

    And that is my useless opinion on that.🤣
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  • peter4jcpeter4jc Posts: 16,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So the person kneeling during the anthem and in front of the flag is protesting a deep-rooted problem, yes?  That doesn't in turn mean those standing and saluting or with their hands over their hearts don't recognize that deep-rooted problem or are in denial.  Everybody knows the country as a whole is flawed.  Of course, Martel, their kneeling doesn't hurt as much as racism and injustice.  But it does hurt those who care about the flag, those who served under it to provide the protesters' freedoms to kneel.  They need to find a better way to get their message across, and then put some effort into seeing change made in their community.  That's what makes me wonder; how many of the kneelers actually get involved in affecting change.
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  • MartelMartel Posts: 3,306 ✭✭✭✭
    It doesn't hurt me.  It didn't hurt my uncle who just had that flag draped on his casket.  He was in favor of the kneeling. Even if he was in the minority in the military, it's important to recognize that they aren't monolithic in their views on this, or any, issue.

    If it did hurt me, I'd like to think my response would be to listen to their concerns and instead of asking them to do something (many of them are doing something) or to stop, I'd make a change, or advocate change, or support change until they didn't feel the need to kneel any more.  In my mind, giving that sort of response would honor the ideals of the nation, the armed forces who served, and the flag which symbolizes it far more than criticizing those who are trying to do something, even if it's only bringing attention to the issues in a way that some find distasteful.
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  • peter4jcpeter4jc Posts: 16,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd agree w/ most of that.  But it's not the NFL's part to make the societal changes, even though they do get involved w/ some issues like breast cancer awareness.  I think that's dumb on their part too; just stick to football... but they can't, because they see dollar signs everywhere, which is why they are motivated to find an answer to the kneeling protests in the first place.

    I still say the kneeling protest is wrong-headed, and nothing more than low-hanging fruit.  The players that kneel get to make a statement with little to no effort - some go beyond that, some don't - when they could be raising their concerns in a way that can't be impugned as disrespectful or unpatriotic.

    Part of why it riles me is the "I'm famous and I have a platform, so I'm going to inform the nation what's wrong."  Hollywood does the same thing and it's irksome.  Everyone has an opinion - if you have fame and a platform use it for some actual good, and not just to show what a blather you can make.


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  • webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    peter4jc said:
    if you have fame and a platform use it for some actual good, and not just to show what a blather you can make.


    In a media dominated world, it's natural to conflate show with substance. Young people honestly believe that "raising awareness" makes a difference. Hence, lotsa awareness, no difference.

    "Thought is easy. Action is difficult. To act in accordance with our thoughts is the most difficult thing we have to do."
    ....Goethe
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭✭✭
    peter4jc said:
      Everyone has an opinion - .


    Frequently, and often appropriately, we find these framed by a toilet seat.  ;)
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    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • MartelMartel Posts: 3,306 ✭✭✭✭
    peter4jc said:
      Everyone has an opinion - .


    Frequently, and often appropriately, we find these framed by a toilet seat.  ;)
    The trick is to determine if it's your opinion or one held in opposition to you...
    Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

    I like Oliva and Quesada (including Regius) a lot.  I will smoke anything, though.
  • CalvinAndHoboCalvinAndHobo Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    People's positions on both sides of this issue get on my nerves, which is a character fault of mine. Is it annoying that various Hollywood celebrities are speaking up without doing anything else? Absolutely. ESPECIALLY when they could be doing something instead of, or in addition to, saying something. Is it also annoying that most people aren't aware of Colin Kaepernick donating a million dollars to various charities that help minorities, such as one that buys suits for parolees, for them to wear to job interviews? Absolutely. Both of those things can be annoying. It's important to remember that the whole point of a protest is to be disruptive and cause problems. Kaepernick originally just sat down during the preseason, until he talked with a green beret who told him to kneel instead. He's being just as disrespectful as the idiots who booed him while the anthem was being played, and made it seem like they were booing the anthem singer. Do those people not support the troops, because they were "booing the anthem"? I happen to think that they do support the troops, and when they booed Kaepernick they were trying to show that support, in a way that was more disrespectful. It's a big circle of stupidity. Celebrities who are only saying stuff without doing anything need to shut up, and people who say Kaepernick is disrespecting the troops need to make sure they themselves aren't doing the same thing. All in all, basically everyone including myself sucks. 
  • TX98Z28TX98Z28 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When billionaire NFL owners are losing money due to players being disrespectful, players causing problems, causing owners to lose money...things will happen as they have. If you kneel during the National Anthem on the Dallas Cowboys your @ss is gone! Jerry Jones made that very clear, this was before the league did anything.  
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