@Vision said:
If both sides are cheating..... doesn’t that basically make them even? 😑 I love that people (not saying anyone here in particular) believe only the “other side” is cheating. 😂
Both sides? How so?
Do you honestly think, no matter your political leanings only the other side cheats?
See for me as a Boston fan..... Rodger Clemens never did steroids, the Red Sox didn’t sign steal, and the Patriots didn’t record anyone else’s practices. See I’m right....
@Vision said:
If both sides are cheating..... doesn’t that basically make them even? 😑 I love that people (not saying anyone here in particular) believe only the “other side” is cheating. 😂
Both sides? How so?
Do you honestly think, no matter your political leanings only the other side cheats?
That's just insane.
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@ShawnOL said:
Wiping away every last trace of Obama was a good thing.
Part of me wants to agree with this and give it a thumbs up. However, we need to remember all things good and bad so that we may learn and hopefully not make the same mistake again. Personally I did not like Obama's politics, and thought he was way too inexperienced. Did I think he was a bad guy? Never met him, but I did hear him say some things that I did not like. I will not judge him by anything the media says though. Those who fall for the BS the media feeds us 24/7 are sure to not understand reality or learn from history. While President, Trump said many things that while not Presidential were real. Did he say some things that were taken way out of context? For sure. I can go on and on, but then this will become a rant.
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@Vision said:
If both sides are cheating..... doesn’t that basically make them even? 😑 I love that people (not saying anyone here in particular) believe only the “other side” is cheating. 😂
Both sides? How so?
Do you honestly think, no matter your political leanings only the other side cheats?
Pretty much, yes.
The history on this is pretty clear, and it goes way back. Tammany Hall & Boss Tweed, the Daley machine (yes, the same Chicago institution that gave us Obama, and which swapped mayor for Chief of Staff), the New Deal machine with Farley dealing out patronage via FDR's WPA, Huey Long and his Kingfish machine, the Cracker Boys in Georgia, the Good Old Boys in Ohio. Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Kansas City, New York City, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Memphis... I can't remember all of them. No, the old bromide every-one-does-it does not apply here. Not some, not many, not half, not most... all the examples I can think of are Dems.
Look at the history of the KKK and Jim Crow. This is the basis of donkey success all along. Divide the country, buy favors (most frequently with the public dime), cheat, lie, and succeed at any cost.
How's it work? Teddy Roosevelt was once part of such a machine. He boiled it down like so:
The organization of a party in our city is really much like that of an army. There is one great central boss, assisted by some trusted and able lieutenants; these communicate with the different district bosses, whom they alternately bully and assist. The district boss in turn has a number of half-subordinates, half-allies, under him; these latter choose the captains of the election districts, etc., and come into contact with the common heelers.
But, to get a clear picture, we should prolly leave off this last election, where violent emotions for or against our loutish scapegoat in chief prevent calm reflection, and go to some other example. Let's take JFK's election.
The 1960 election turned on JFK's 6,000 vote victory in Illinois. There was ample evidence of fraud. Nixon, however, being a bigger man than Trump, when advised to contest the result, said "The nation does not need to go through this. I will have my chance again later." He conceded, but the press did not. I was only about 13, but I can remember a TV reporter on our round cornered black and white CRT standing in a Chicago graveyard with a paper list of voters, saying: "... and this voter lies here, this voter lies here, this voter lies there," etc. Then he went down the street to an abandoned building where 73 voters were registered. When confronted with evidence of fraud in Chicago, Mayor Daley famously marveled: "But I thought that's what they wanted!" In Texas, is was different: It wasn't so much dead voters as multiple votes. The South, at that time, was of course locked down by Jim Crow laws and poll taxes. So the Dems had those states in the bag. There was even a segregation ticket, headed, as I recall, by Senator Byrd (yes, the same notorious KKK notable who died still in office just recently. Obama spoke a eulogy at his funeral. How's that for irony?). Byrd won 2 or 3 states in the deep south. But, having no chance for a segregation party win, his slate of electors, as dutiful Democrats, all cast their votes for JFK.
Not making this up. Several guys went to prison. True.
Now, here's the key: It took two years to send them there. That's the beauty of this kind of scheming. Time you prove it, it's all over. By two years down the line, the Bay of Pigs had been bungled, we were in Viet Nam, the CIA was trotting round the world assassinating foreign leaders, Marylin Monroe was dead, Booby Baker had hooked JFK up with an East German spy gal (anent whom JFK wrote Bobby that she gave the best BJ he had ever experienced), not to mention how meth and syphylis may have affected his judgement. What wickedness might Nixon have bungled in those two years we will never know. That the election was stolen we do.
Imagine you go to see a magic show. The magician elevates his attractive assistant supine in mid air. Nice cleavage to distract you. He passes a hula hoop over her body to imply there are no gimmicks. You smell a trick. True, the hula hoop establishes plausible deniability; but you feel certain the law of gravity still applies. You don't get to go backstage. You only have from when the lights go on until you are ushered out the door to prove that it was a trick.
Every election, since JFK, here's what I have seen:
One side insists on plausible deniability
The other fumes about the sniff test.
Nothing can be proven.
Here's the diff with this most recent:
It's not just a magician palmed a card.
Copperfield made Lady Liberty disappear.
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@webmost said:
Look at the history of the KKK and Jim Crow. This is the basis of donkey success all along. Divide the country, buy favors (most frequently with the public dime), cheat, lie, and succeed at any cost.
Sounds like someone I know, and coincidentally, the KKK endorsed him!
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I saw this morning that at least one of the rioters and his lawyer are blaming the President on his unlawful act. Weather you like our President or not he did not tell anyone to break in the capitol. Some will say that he insinuated but come on. Everyone who breaks the law is a criminal. Not because someone told you to but because you choose to. Man up grow some balls and take some **** responsibility for you own actions! My little private island is looking better all the time. Sorry for the rant but just sick of all the bullshit. Smoke on.
After a discussion with a co-worker yesterday, I did some googleing this morning.
My conclusion is that WE ALL SHOULD BE PROTESTING.
Aprox. 25 Million more people voted than in 2012 and that year more people voted than in 2008 and 2016.
And they told us that Obama received record amount of votes.
But in 2020 both parties received millions more votes than ever before.
To make the math easy 2008 69 to 59 million votes for each party, 2012 69 to 60 million, 2016 Trump won electoral college but vote count was 62 to 65 million voters.
But in 2020 81 to 74 million? That many people that had not voted in over a decade came out and voted ?
I am beginning to think that either both sides cheated but one side cheated more.
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I don’t usually speak on political threads but here is my two cents.
Politicians only care about two things themselves and the corporations that back them. It’s foolish to think the give two shitz about you or me. Dividing the country and blinding one side with the anger of the other side just allows them to further their agenda.
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@silvermouse said:
there was a love/hate partisan divide that probably boosted participation of meh voters.
Agree, but not THAT many
I am afraid that we will one day learn that our elections have been rigged for years.
Does anyone else wonder why Trump did not declassify the Kennedy report when it came up? Were things so crooked that the American people can't know?
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Not sure about that. I know that a lot of democrats thought that there was no way that Trump would win the first time and they stayed home. This time they voted.
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Does anyone else wonder why Trump did not declassify the Kennedy report when it came up? Were things so crooked that the American people can't know?
I was in college in the 90's, late bloomer, taking a course in Logic when the Senate hearings were on concerning the Kennedy assassinations. Parsing through all the BS, the end result was this: We know who killed the Kennedys, and the how and why, but people who are still powerful today would be angry if we told the truth. Therefore, no one will know until the reports are released in 50 years.
SMDH
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Does anyone else wonder why Trump did not declassify the Kennedy report when it came up? Were things so crooked that the American people can't know?
I was in college in the 90's, late bloomer, taking a course in Logic when the Senate hearings were on concerning the Kennedy assassinations. Parsing through all the BS, the end result was this: We know who killed the Kennedys, and the how and why, but people who are still powerful today would be angry if we told the truth. Therefore, no one will know until the reports are released in 50 years.
SMDH
Yes and after those 50 years the sitting President (Trump) decided that they should remain CLASSIFIED
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@Yakster said:
Not sure about that. I know that a lot of democrats thought that there was no way that Trump would win the first time and they stayed home. This time they voted.
Yes, I agree with you, but I added up some numbers
In 2008 129,446,839 people voted remember old people that never voted before registered and came out to vote for Obama. They showed lots of them on TV and OMG he got so many votes.
In 2012 130,849,159 people voted
In 2016 128,838,342 people voted Yup a million and a half figured no way he could win and stayed home.
In 2020 155,506,629 people voted.
Aprox 27 million more than ever before. Nobody seems to find that strange?
Trump received roughly 12 million more votes than he did in 2016
Biden 16 million more votes than the Democrats received in 2016.and in 2016 the Democrats had 3 million more votes but lost the electoral college.
things just do not add up as they say
Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
I forget who it was on this forum who once said: "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it."
“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
It seems that Rep. Maxine Waters has noticed how well Jan 6th worked out for The Donald and has decided to do a little inciting of her own.
We'll see how that works out.
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A little surprised. From what I listened to, which was not all of it, I feel like I probably would have found him guilty of the manslaughter charge, maybe the intermediate charge, but not the most serious 2nd degree murder. Of course, I didn't hear all of it.
There's no winners here. Certainly not the Floyd family, he's still gone. Certainly not Chauvin, his life's over. Not sure if he can survive prison, seems like a death sentence for sure. I don't think it ever occurred to him that the man would die. On the other hand, having watched all the videos, I'd have let that guy up off the ground. If he got out of hand again he could be subdued again.
I've seen literally at least 100 cases of a person screaming "I can't breathe" when the problem was that they'd gotten too much oxygen in their system and what they really needed was to rebreathe some CO2. For that 100, I've also seen at least 10 in the same state who, while breathing just fine, weren't getting enough oxygen because their heart was in a abnormal rhythm that didn't effectively pump the blood, or a lung had collapsed. You can't tell right away, you've got to examine and test, and meanwhile always assume a heart or lung problem until proven otherwise.
It's all very sad.
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Do you honestly think, no matter your political leanings only the other side cheats?
Was Barry Bonds the only one on steroids?
Did only the Huston Astros Cheat?
Was Lance Armstrong the only one doping?
See for me as a Boston fan..... Rodger Clemens never did steroids, the Red Sox didn’t sign steal, and the Patriots didn’t record anyone else’s practices. See I’m right....
That's just insane.
Wiping away every last trace of Obama was a good thing.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
Part of me wants to agree with this and give it a thumbs up. However, we need to remember all things good and bad so that we may learn and hopefully not make the same mistake again. Personally I did not like Obama's politics, and thought he was way too inexperienced. Did I think he was a bad guy? Never met him, but I did hear him say some things that I did not like. I will not judge him by anything the media says though. Those who fall for the BS the media feeds us 24/7 are sure to not understand reality or learn from history. While President, Trump said many things that while not Presidential were real. Did he say some things that were taken way out of context? For sure. I can go on and on, but then this will become a rant.
Pretty much, yes.
The history on this is pretty clear, and it goes way back. Tammany Hall & Boss Tweed, the Daley machine (yes, the same Chicago institution that gave us Obama, and which swapped mayor for Chief of Staff), the New Deal machine with Farley dealing out patronage via FDR's WPA, Huey Long and his Kingfish machine, the Cracker Boys in Georgia, the Good Old Boys in Ohio. Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Kansas City, New York City, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Memphis... I can't remember all of them. No, the old bromide every-one-does-it does not apply here. Not some, not many, not half, not most... all the examples I can think of are Dems.
Look at the history of the KKK and Jim Crow. This is the basis of donkey success all along. Divide the country, buy favors (most frequently with the public dime), cheat, lie, and succeed at any cost.
How's it work? Teddy Roosevelt was once part of such a machine. He boiled it down like so:
But, to get a clear picture, we should prolly leave off this last election, where violent emotions for or against our loutish scapegoat in chief prevent calm reflection, and go to some other example. Let's take JFK's election.
The 1960 election turned on JFK's 6,000 vote victory in Illinois. There was ample evidence of fraud. Nixon, however, being a bigger man than Trump, when advised to contest the result, said "The nation does not need to go through this. I will have my chance again later." He conceded, but the press did not. I was only about 13, but I can remember a TV reporter on our round cornered black and white CRT standing in a Chicago graveyard with a paper list of voters, saying: "... and this voter lies here, this voter lies here, this voter lies there," etc. Then he went down the street to an abandoned building where 73 voters were registered. When confronted with evidence of fraud in Chicago, Mayor Daley famously marveled: "But I thought that's what they wanted!" In Texas, is was different: It wasn't so much dead voters as multiple votes. The South, at that time, was of course locked down by Jim Crow laws and poll taxes. So the Dems had those states in the bag. There was even a segregation ticket, headed, as I recall, by Senator Byrd (yes, the same notorious KKK notable who died still in office just recently. Obama spoke a eulogy at his funeral. How's that for irony?). Byrd won 2 or 3 states in the deep south. But, having no chance for a segregation party win, his slate of electors, as dutiful Democrats, all cast their votes for JFK.
Not making this up. Several guys went to prison. True.
Now, here's the key: It took two years to send them there. That's the beauty of this kind of scheming. Time you prove it, it's all over. By two years down the line, the Bay of Pigs had been bungled, we were in Viet Nam, the CIA was trotting round the world assassinating foreign leaders, Marylin Monroe was dead, Booby Baker had hooked JFK up with an East German spy gal (anent whom JFK wrote Bobby that she gave the best BJ he had ever experienced), not to mention how meth and syphylis may have affected his judgement. What wickedness might Nixon have bungled in those two years we will never know. That the election was stolen we do.
Imagine you go to see a magic show. The magician elevates his attractive assistant supine in mid air. Nice cleavage to distract you. He passes a hula hoop over her body to imply there are no gimmicks. You smell a trick. True, the hula hoop establishes plausible deniability; but you feel certain the law of gravity still applies. You don't get to go backstage. You only have from when the lights go on until you are ushered out the door to prove that it was a trick.
Every election, since JFK, here's what I have seen:
One side insists on plausible deniability
The other fumes about the sniff test.
Nothing can be proven.
Here's the diff with this most recent:
It's not just a magician palmed a card.
Copperfield made Lady Liberty disappear.
Sounds like someone I know, and coincidentally, the KKK endorsed him!
I think we are on the same page with this one. Like I said, The Houston Astros are the only ones who cheat.
I saw this morning that at least one of the rioters and his lawyer are blaming the President on his unlawful act. Weather you like our President or not he did not tell anyone to break in the capitol. Some will say that he insinuated but come on. Everyone who breaks the law is a criminal. Not because someone told you to but because you choose to. Man up grow some balls and take some **** responsibility for you own actions! My little private island is looking better all the time. Sorry for the rant but just sick of all the bullshit. Smoke on.
After a discussion with a co-worker yesterday, I did some googleing this morning.
My conclusion is that WE ALL SHOULD BE PROTESTING.
Aprox. 25 Million more people voted than in 2012 and that year more people voted than in 2008 and 2016.
And they told us that Obama received record amount of votes.
But in 2020 both parties received millions more votes than ever before.
To make the math easy 2008 69 to 59 million votes for each party, 2012 69 to 60 million, 2016 Trump won electoral college but vote count was 62 to 65 million voters.
But in 2020 81 to 74 million? That many people that had not voted in over a decade came out and voted ?
I am beginning to think that either both sides cheated but one side cheated more.
I don’t usually speak on political threads but here is my two cents.
Politicians only care about two things themselves and the corporations that back them. It’s foolish to think the give two shitz about you or me. Dividing the country and blinding one side with the anger of the other side just allows them to further their agenda.
If you want to bomb me send it to Tony @0patience
If you are a newbie I got Dem nachos....
there was a love/hate partisan divide that probably boosted participation of meh voters.
Agree, but not THAT many
I am afraid that we will one day learn that our elections have been rigged for years.
Does anyone else wonder why Trump did not declassify the Kennedy report when it came up? Were things so crooked that the American people can't know?
Not sure about that. I know that a lot of democrats thought that there was no way that Trump would win the first time and they stayed home. This time they voted.
... our elections have been rigged for years.
I was in college in the 90's, late bloomer, taking a course in Logic when the Senate hearings were on concerning the Kennedy assassinations. Parsing through all the BS, the end result was this: We know who killed the Kennedys, and the how and why, but people who are still powerful today would be angry if we told the truth. Therefore, no one will know until the reports are released in 50 years.
SMDH
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Yes and after those 50 years the sitting President (Trump) decided that they should remain CLASSIFIED
Yes, I agree with you, but I added up some numbers
In 2008 129,446,839 people voted remember old people that never voted before registered and came out to vote for Obama. They showed lots of them on TV and OMG he got so many votes.
In 2012 130,849,159 people voted
In 2016 128,838,342 people voted Yup a million and a half figured no way he could win and stayed home.
In 2020 155,506,629 people voted.
Aprox 27 million more than ever before. Nobody seems to find that strange?
Trump received roughly 12 million more votes than he did in 2016
Biden 16 million more votes than the Democrats received in 2016.and in 2016 the Democrats had 3 million more votes but lost the electoral college.
things just do not add up as they say
I forget who it was on this forum who once said: "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it."
Paul @Trykflyr_1
A little hard to read.. my apologies
Woooo! Go Nevada! I personally know a dozen or so people who voted in person and later got notified that their mail in ballots were accepted...
At any given time the urge to sing "In The Jungle" is just a whim away... A whim away... A whim away...
I can see why an investigative journalist wouldn't touch that.
It seems that Rep. Maxine Waters has noticed how well Jan 6th worked out for The Donald and has decided to do a little inciting of her own.
We'll see how that works out.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Verdict is in, get ready, either way it goes.
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
Guilty on all three counts. Not much to protest about. Right?
Won’t be a protest in that case, it’ll be a “celebration”. Either way, Minneapolis is gonna burn.
A little surprised. From what I listened to, which was not all of it, I feel like I probably would have found him guilty of the manslaughter charge, maybe the intermediate charge, but not the most serious 2nd degree murder. Of course, I didn't hear all of it.
There's no winners here. Certainly not the Floyd family, he's still gone. Certainly not Chauvin, his life's over. Not sure if he can survive prison, seems like a death sentence for sure. I don't think it ever occurred to him that the man would die. On the other hand, having watched all the videos, I'd have let that guy up off the ground. If he got out of hand again he could be subdued again.
I've seen literally at least 100 cases of a person screaming "I can't breathe" when the problem was that they'd gotten too much oxygen in their system and what they really needed was to rebreathe some CO2. For that 100, I've also seen at least 10 in the same state who, while breathing just fine, weren't getting enough oxygen because their heart was in a abnormal rhythm that didn't effectively pump the blood, or a lung had collapsed. You can't tell right away, you've got to examine and test, and meanwhile always assume a heart or lung problem until proven otherwise.
It's all very sad.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
So no free shít?
Or, we could go off of actual numbers instead of an Excel sheet that was made in Microsoft 95.