Is it odd that I don't usually think of Kentucky (KY) when I see the K-Y logo, but I do often think of the K-Y brand when I see Kentucy abbreviated as KY?
@Bob_Luken said:
Is it odd that I don't usually think of Kentucky (KY) when I see the K-Y logo, but I do often think of the K-Y brand when I see Kentucy abbreviated as KY?
Not odd...telling.
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@ShawnOL said:
Why is it that whenever I'm playing on my phone the cat decides he wants my undevided attention?
Because cats represent the feminine side of reality. Pursue her, she'll go away.
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@ShawnOL said:
I wonder how much fossil fuel it takes to charge up all of the electric green-weenie mobiles?
No one ever talks about the mining operations needed to get the materials for the batteries, or what will come of the batteries when they have to be retired. At least I can’t find very much information on this.
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Batteries, they do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.
Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"
Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.
There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.
Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.
All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.
In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.
But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.
A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."
Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"
I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.
The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.
Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.
There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.
"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.
Yes, those too have carbon footprints. But as you build more, and also more factories that are run from these renewable sources which make the materials for wind and solar, then you make gains (i.e.- carbon footprint reductions) exponentially.
When the war started in Ukraine, amateur hackers hacked into Russian electric car charging stations so that they wouldn't charge anything. That definitely changed my thinking about ever buying an electric car in the future. I was open to it 2 weeks ago assuming it was a more affordable long term option at some point in the future, now, not so much.
@peter4jc said:
Batteries, they do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.
Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"
Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.
There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.
Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.
All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.
In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.
But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.
A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."
Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"
I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.
The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.
Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.
There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.
"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.
I refuse to believe that my friend Peter authored the foregoing, based entirely on the length of it. Peter @peter4jc isn’t known to be such a loquacious rambler. The style of this piece reminds me more of someone, say, from Las Vegas…. 🙄🙄
You know, the other day, I sucked down 5 cups of coffee samples, and I still wouldn't type something that long. I can type, very quickly and accurately, but wouldn't put forth that kind of effort - unless, of course, somebody was paying me very well.
I just liked the central thought that batteries do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere.
A decade ago I helped open a green warehouse. It had piping tapped into a natural water reserve and ran over the roof, through the walls and under the floors. This water would be heated to about 65 degrees by the sun across the roof, then kept the entire building insulated at temp. No solar panels. No heaters. No AC. Just water insulating as water does. It would be nice to see simple things like that used more often.
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If everyone stopped paying their taxes....they cant take everyone to jail! 😄
Or they just build a lot more prisons... 😐
....with everyone's money.... 🤬
Sometimes when I read the forum from my laptop there's navigation links (quick links and categories) at the bottom of the page, and sometimes nothing. I'm not sure why it's not consistently one way or the other.
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I know that it's declassee to cling to using two spaces after a period now to separate sentences, and I've mostly retrained myself to avoid doing this, but it just doesn't look right. The older I get, the more I appreciate white space that breaks up blocks of text and makes it easier to read.
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I used a manual typewriter all through high school. Accuracy was more important when mistakes needed erasers or wite-out. 2 spaces after a period, comma before 'and' in a list. I've dropped the second space, doesn't seem as necessary with the proportional fonts we use today.
I've noticed that the auto correct seems to remove the 2nd space. I didn't know that was a thing. I think I will just keep doing whatever the hell I want to.
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Doesn't matter anymore brother. Word puts the appropriate space after the period, so even if you're a double spacer like me, it auto changes...unless you're using a terrible font like Courrier New, in which case you're getting so marked down by me you're going to need a telescope to ever see the light of a B- ever again.
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Is it odd that I don't usually think of Kentucky (KY) when I see the K-Y logo, but I do often think of the K-Y brand when I see Kentucy abbreviated as KY?
Not odd...telling.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
We should send a crate of KY to putin and see if he understands the implication.
Trapped in the People's Communits Republic of Massachusetts.
Why is it that whenever I'm playing on my phone the cat decides he wants my undevided attention?
Trapped in the People's Communits Republic of Massachusetts.
Because cats represent the feminine side of reality. Pursue her, she'll go away.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I wonder how much fossil fuel it takes to charge up all of the electric green-weenie mobiles?
Trapped in the People's Communits Republic of Massachusetts.
No one ever talks about the mining operations needed to get the materials for the batteries, or what will come of the batteries when they have to be retired. At least I can’t find very much information on this.
MOW badge received.
Batteries, they do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.
Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"
Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.
There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.
Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.
All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.
In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.
But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.
A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."
Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"
I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.
The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.
Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.
There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.
"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.
Use solar and wind #earthHack
Yes, those too have carbon footprints. But as you build more, and also more factories that are run from these renewable sources which make the materials for wind and solar, then you make gains (i.e.- carbon footprint reductions) exponentially.
Of course, there is nuclear too....
When the war started in Ukraine, amateur hackers hacked into Russian electric car charging stations so that they wouldn't charge anything. That definitely changed my thinking about ever buying an electric car in the future. I was open to it 2 weeks ago assuming it was a more affordable long term option at some point in the future, now, not so much.
Why would the display be in English? 🤔
No idea, here's the video it's from, looks like it changes back and forth between English and Russian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Mux9DIM8GSE
I refuse to believe that my friend Peter authored the foregoing, based entirely on the length of it. Peter @peter4jc isn’t known to be such a loquacious rambler. The style of this piece reminds me more of someone, say, from Las Vegas…. 🙄🙄
I believe that the rubber band attached to Peter's propeller is longer than Frank's so it takes longer to wind up, but when done, let her rip!
You know, the other day, I sucked down 5 cups of coffee samples, and I still wouldn't type something that long. I can type, very quickly and accurately, but wouldn't put forth that kind of effort - unless, of course, somebody was paying me very well.
I just liked the central thought that batteries do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere.
A decade ago I helped open a green warehouse. It had piping tapped into a natural water reserve and ran over the roof, through the walls and under the floors. This water would be heated to about 65 degrees by the sun across the roof, then kept the entire building insulated at temp. No solar panels. No heaters. No AC. Just water insulating as water does. It would be nice to see simple things like that used more often.
At any given time the urge to sing "In The Jungle" is just a whim away... A whim away... A whim away...
That’d work well up here in June. In December? Prob’ly not so much. Key phrase: “heated…by the sun….” Good idea tho!
If everyone stopped paying their taxes....they cant take everyone to jail! 😄
Or they just build a lot more prisons... 😐
....with everyone's money.... 🤬
Sometimes when I read the forum from my laptop there's navigation links (quick links and categories) at the bottom of the page, and sometimes nothing. I'm not sure why it's not consistently one way or the other.
Did somebody say "mining", I'll take care of that
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Porn career didn’t work out
I know that it's declassee to cling to using two spaces after a period now to separate sentences, and I've mostly retrained myself to avoid doing this, but it just doesn't look right. The older I get, the more I appreciate white space that breaks up blocks of text and makes it easier to read.
I used a manual typewriter all through high school. Accuracy was more important when mistakes needed erasers or wite-out. 2 spaces after a period, comma before 'and' in a list. I've dropped the second space, doesn't seem as necessary with the proportional fonts we use today.
I have stopped double spacing after a sentence but I draw the line with the coma. Like Edward said it doesn’t even look right without it.
I've noticed that the auto correct seems to remove the 2nd space. I didn't know that was a thing. I think I will just keep doing whatever the hell I want to.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I figure that on the whole, everyone in the world is better at adjusting than I am, so they can adjust to my double-space after the period.
@VegasFrank So when it comes to a school paper what's right now? Either one?
Doesn't matter anymore brother. Word puts the appropriate space after the period, so even if you're a double spacer like me, it auto changes...unless you're using a terrible font like Courrier New, in which case you're getting so marked down by me you're going to need a telescope to ever see the light of a B- ever again.
All fonts matter