Home Non Cigar Related

Political Discussions

145791058

Comments

  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @silvermouse said:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/01/russia-ukraine-war-putin-news/

    1:46 a.m.
    Pat Robertson says Putin was ‘compelled by God’ to invade Ukraine
    By Timothy Bella
    Televangelist Pat Robertson said Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin was “compelled by God” in his decision to invade Ukraine, suggesting that Russia’s attacks are a precursor to an end-times battle in Israel.
    The Christian media mogul returned to “The 700 Club” a few months after he retired from the show he hosted for 55 years on the Christian Broadcasting Network. In his return, Robertson claimed that Putin was simply following God’s wishes when Russia invaded Ukraine — to fulfill a biblical prophecy.
    “I think you can say, well, Putin’s out of his mind. Yes, maybe so,” said Robertson, 91. “But at the same time, he’s being compelled by God. He went into the Ukraine, but that wasn’t his goal. His goal was to move against Israel, ultimately.”

    Hmm. "Compelled". I think Son of Sam made the same argument in his defense strategy.

    So, Pat, no such thing as "Free Will"?

    God gets blamed for everything.

    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • Hobbes86Hobbes86 Posts: 3,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @silvermouse said:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/01/russia-ukraine-war-putin-news/

    1:46 a.m.
    Pat Robertson says Putin was ‘compelled by God’ to invade Ukraine
    By Timothy Bella
    Televangelist Pat Robertson said Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin was “compelled by God” in his decision to invade Ukraine, suggesting that Russia’s attacks are a precursor to an end-times battle in Israel.
    The Christian media mogul returned to “The 700 Club” a few months after he retired from the show he hosted for 55 years on the Christian Broadcasting Network. In his return, Robertson claimed that Putin was simply following God’s wishes when Russia invaded Ukraine — to fulfill a biblical prophecy.
    “I think you can say, well, Putin’s out of his mind. Yes, maybe so,” said Robertson, 91. “But at the same time, he’s being compelled by God. He went into the Ukraine, but that wasn’t his goal. His goal was to move against Israel, ultimately.”

    I don't take Pat Robertson seriously on matters pertaining to God.

    "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17

  • Hobbes86Hobbes86 Posts: 3,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I continue to be disappointed by how our government has responded to Russia invading Ukraine. We are like that parent in the supermarket telling their child to stop knocking things off the shelves, meanwhile the child just keeps on doing it, completely unafraid of our hollow orders and threats.

    "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17

  • CalvinAndHoboCalvinAndHobo Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ukraine has officially declared that any stolen Russian military equipment is tax exempt. This is my favorite ongoing story line from a comedy perspective. Lots of great videos on Reddit.

    https://youtube.com/yYsyrB9c36M?feature=share
    https://youtube.com/Y53cfkpn5dQ?feature=share
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHD848Glbi4

  • YaksterYakster Posts: 27,585 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't get it, it's still a good idea to wear masks indoors but the news here keeps playing it like now that the mandate is lifted people who wear masks are simply not comfortable removing them yet.

    Join us on Zoom vHerf (Meeting # 2619860114 Password vHerf2020 )
  • VisionVision Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Yakster said:

    I don't get it, it's still a good idea to wear masks indoors but the news here keeps playing it like now that the mandate is lifted people who wear masks are simply not comfortable removing them yet.

    I'm with you man.... if someone wants to wear it go for it.

  • PatrickbrickPatrickbrick Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give".  Winston Churchill.
    MOW badge received.
  • d_bladesd_blades Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have never imagined a crooked politician, from Illinois.

    Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.

  • Hobbes86Hobbes86 Posts: 3,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just imagine how many more are out there!

    "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17

  • YaksterYakster Posts: 27,585 ✭✭✭✭✭

    “Unfortunately, this type of criminal conduct drastically undermines the public’s confidence in our government,” Lausch said. “Simply put, it’s not a good thing.”

    Join us on Zoom vHerf (Meeting # 2619860114 Password vHerf2020 )
  • ShawnOLShawnOL Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ever notice the blue'er the city or state, the more corruption there is?

    Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.

  • CalvinAndHoboCalvinAndHobo Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is the largest nuclear power plant in Europe. Russia is currently shelling it from all sides, there's a fire going that's spreading because Russian troops won't let firefighters in. Troops inside the plant are fighting it out right now. If this plant blows, it will be 10 times larger than Chernobyl according to Ukraine's government.

    I'm personally wondering if Russia is trying to "nuke Ukraine" without having to face the consequences of actually using nukes. You can watch the battle live on this stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=fYUT36YGOh8

  • CalvinAndHoboCalvinAndHobo Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This twitter list I posted earlier has live updates about the battle. Russian soldiers currently firing upon firefighters trying to get in.

  • RhamlinRhamlin Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Frankly if the Democrats are so against Russia invading the Ukraine it makes me wonder. They must really be loosing a ton of money right now. I actually understand what Putins point is. NATO is flat out refusing to pull back from Russias borders so he’s going to make sure they don’t scoop up the Ukraine in order to further the agenda of the NWO.

  • CalvinAndHoboCalvinAndHobo Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rhamlin said:
    Frankly if the Democrats are so against Russia invading the Ukraine it makes me wonder. They must really be loosing a ton of money right now. I actually understand what Putins point is. NATO is flat out refusing to pull back from Russias borders so he’s going to make sure they don’t scoop up the Ukraine in order to further the agenda of the NWO.

    That's my disagree, here's why:

    Do you think Putin is helping that cause at all right now though? If that's his goal, he's failing miserably. All these other countries bordering Russia are now begging to be let in to NATO, and they've got a much better chance of getting in now than they did a week ago.

    Just for example, take something that you disagree with, like extra taxes on cigars. That's happening because of perceived health risks. You don't push back against that by making their point for them and giving people poisonous cigars. You push back in other ways, by proving that they aren't as harmful as cigarettes and shouldn't be treated the same.

    Russia was trying to say that NATO needs to pull back, fine. Now though, NATO is going to be more "forward" than it ever was before regardless of how this war goes because of the danger of Russia. it couldn't possibly be more counterproductive.

  • silvermousesilvermouse Posts: 20,801 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-intentions-war-zelensky-1684887

    Vladimir Putin Says Russia Has 'No Ill Intentions,' Pleads for No More Sanctions

  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just enhanced military exercise, that's all, no harm intended. Oh, we accidentally blew up a few cities on our march to the sea, but the guys just wanted to spend some time on the beach. You know. Boys will be boys.

    What a liar.

    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So, when Daddy Joe assumed the responsibilities of President, we stopped using our own energy resources in favor of buying from Russia.

    We're funding Putin's war.

    Now, we're planning 10 billion $ to support Ukraine's defense. We're funding both sides.

    Putin obviously learned from Uncle Adolf, if you make moves that are unbelievable, the West won't believe it. They'll listen to whatever lies you're telling and think "Surely that must be it, they couldn't really be doing that!" They are.

    Just as Putin is using Adolf's playbook, NATO is following the Neville Chamberlain strategy of doing nothing and placating the spoiled little thug. "Maybe he'll stop at Ukraine...Maybe he only wants Poland?" Bulllshidt.

    Maybe the right thing to do is to hit Putin with everything the West has to offer? Every Western country mobilizing and heading toward Russia. Every weapon system deployed.

    It's the one thing that Putin knows will not happen. The sane never want to go to war.

    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • ForMudForMud Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lets see.....It took well over a year to get geared up for Desert Storm. Over 500,000 troops deployed. Then six weeks of air attacks later the ground attack began. It was a pretty small theater of war against a small non nuclear 3rd world country......Now we should go up against Russia with over 6.60 million square miles and 6375 nuclear war heads and a standing army of 915,000. I'm sure China will join in with their 320 nuclear weapons and an army of 1,014,000......That should end well for the world.

  • Hobbes86Hobbes86 Posts: 3,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Putin, Xi, and Jong-Un know that the rest of the world is too unwilling to take a firm stance right now.

    "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17

  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ForMud said:
    Lets see.....It took well over a year to get geared up for Desert Storm. Over 500,000 troops deployed. Then six weeks of air attacks later the ground attack began. It was a pretty small theater of war against a small non nuclear 3rd world country......Now we should go up against Russia with over 6.60 million square miles and 6375 nuclear war heads and a standing army of 915,000. I'm sure China will join in with their 320 nuclear weapons and an army of 1,014,000......That should end well for the world.

    You see, ForMud is sane. That's a perfectly reasonable response, just like Putin is depending on. The Neville Chamberlain approach to Adolf. The sane never want to go to war, as I said before.

    But, if you're responding to what I said, I didn't say "We" should go to war with Russia. I said maybe EVERYONE should start mobilizing for war with Russia. There's always the hope that that the criminals will drop their weapons if they see that it's not just a case of the schoolyard bully beating up the kid with polio. If the bully sees that every other kid on the playground is going to beat the crap out of him, might change his tune.

    But, just a hypothetical. What's sure is that doing nothing and placating Putin WILL result in more of the same behavior. If you're in Romania, you're next.

    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • CalvinAndHoboCalvinAndHobo Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Amos_Umwhat said:

    @ForMud said:
    Lets see.....It took well over a year to get geared up for Desert Storm. Over 500,000 troops deployed. Then six weeks of air attacks later the ground attack began. It was a pretty small theater of war against a small non nuclear 3rd world country......Now we should go up against Russia with over 6.60 million square miles and 6375 nuclear war heads and a standing army of 915,000. I'm sure China will join in with their 320 nuclear weapons and an army of 1,014,000......That should end well for the world.

    You see, ForMud is sane. That's a perfectly reasonable response, just like Putin is depending on. The Neville Chamberlain approach to Adolf. The sane never want to go to war, as I said before.

    But, if you're responding to what I said, I didn't say "We" should go to war with Russia. I said maybe EVERYONE should start mobilizing for war with Russia. There's always the hope that that the criminals will drop their weapons if they see that it's not just a case of the schoolyard bully beating up the kid with polio. If the bully sees that every other kid on the playground is going to beat the crap out of him, might change his tune.

    But, just a hypothetical. What's sure is that doing nothing and placating Putin WILL result in more of the same behavior. If you're in Romania, you're next.

    I get your point, personally though I've got no idea of Putin's state of mind. The nukes part makes me worried. Sometimes that bully who sees that and isn't mentally stable brings a gun to the school the next day. Were I the dictator of the world, I wouldn't risk it, especially since more Ukranians would die if everyone else joined in the fight. I think the best (actually, least bad) option is to give as much aid as possible without crossing whatever red line Putin has that would make him attack other countries.

    The one key factor that all the military analysts seem to have missed is the will of the soldiers on each side of the line. The Naz1's really believed in what they were fighting for, these Russians don't.

    Is there some kind of percentage chance you're willing to take? Say there's a 10% that Putin starts nuking people if NATO attacks him, is that worth the risk? What about 5%? 1%? That's the issue for me, but I'm just some dude with a keyboard and an internet connection :D .

  • Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 10,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2022

    Here's Kamala to explain everything in layman's terms.
    https://youtu.be/HuDsUV44h10

  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2022

    @CalvinAndHobo said:

    @Amos_Umwhat said:

    @ForMud said:
    Lets see.....It took well over a year to get geared up for Desert Storm. Over 500,000 troops deployed. Then six weeks of air attacks later the ground attack began. It was a pretty small theater of war against a small non nuclear 3rd world country......Now we should go up against Russia with over 6.60 million square miles and 6375 nuclear war heads and a standing army of 915,000. I'm sure China will join in with their 320 nuclear weapons and an army of 1,014,000......That should end well for the world.

    You see, ForMud is sane. That's a perfectly reasonable response, just like Putin is depending on. The Neville Chamberlain approach to Adolf. The sane never want to go to war, as I said before.

    But, if you're responding to what I said, I didn't say "We" should go to war with Russia. I said maybe EVERYONE should start mobilizing for war with Russia. There's always the hope that that the criminals will drop their weapons if they see that it's not just a case of the schoolyard bully beating up the kid with polio. If the bully sees that every other kid on the playground is going to beat the crap out of him, might change his tune.

    But, just a hypothetical. What's sure is that doing nothing and placating Putin WILL result in more of the same behavior. If you're in Romania, you're next.

    I get your point, personally though I've got no idea of Putin's state of mind. The nukes part makes me worried. Sometimes that bully who sees that and isn't mentally stable brings a gun to the school the next day. Were I the dictator of the world, I wouldn't risk it, especially since more Ukranians would die if everyone else joined in the fight. I think the best (actually, least bad) option is to give as much aid as possible without crossing whatever red line Putin has that would make him attack other countries.

    The one key factor that all the military analysts seem to have missed is the will of the soldiers on each side of the line. The Naz1's really believed in what they were fighting for, these Russians don't.

    Is there some kind of percentage chance you're willing to take? Say there's a 10% that Putin starts nuking people if NATO attacks him, is that worth the risk? What about 5%? 1%? That's the issue for me, but I'm just some dude with a keyboard and an internet connection :D .

    Excellent points. Classic military problem is that of fighting the last war. The Allies were not prepared for Germany's assault on the world with what were then high-tech weapons. British were flying biplanes like it was still WW1.

    My line of thought was based on Putin's use of Adolf's playbook. Supposedly just uniting Russian speaking peoples under one banner by ignoring the boundaries that had been "artificially" set long ago. Just as the Third Reich was just uniting German speaking people. Uh huh. SSDD. Germany wasn't stopped until there was a united multinational action.

    Of course, as you pointed out, the nuclear option is now with us. Or "Nuke-you-ler" as so many politicians like to say in an effort to prove that they're just as ignorant as everybody else so that you'll continue to vote for them.

    Your kid who brings the gun to school is an excellent analogy. So, what we have now is the schoolyard bully beating up the kid with polio, and no one will help the poor kid because everyone knows that the bully has a gun at home.

    What do we do?

    Where would we be today if the Allies hadn't united against Adolf?

    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • ShawnOLShawnOL Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2022

    The US and nato should station troops in neighboring countries along their borders with ikraine and Russia. Mildly aggressive but not an in your face attack. Just to let putin know the world is ready if he keeps his bullshlt up.

    Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.

Sign In or Register to comment.