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here is a good example of why separating church and state is a good idea (unless you like authoritarianism):

In an attempt to rein in the increasing number of women defying Iran's compulsory dress code, authorities are installing cameras in public places and thoroughfares to identify and penalize unveiled women, the police announced.
--Reuters

I saw a Yahoo piece this morning essentially blaming Biden for the state of the economy. I know that this is a popular pastime, but even just scratching the surface of deeper thought reveals it to be a ludicrous notion.

Not that he's particularly helping the situation, but this has been going on for a long long time.

Post WWII America was an enigma, an economy in full production mode whose factories were still standing. This served us quite well for awhile, but no one took into consideration that the emerging nations we were helping to rebuild, and treating with open disdain and animosity, were getting much more advanced technology to work with compared with the 1920's technology most American companies were working with. Well, I say no one took it into consideration, I guess it would be more accurate to say that no one with an enduring interest in the well being of the average American citizen.

So, throughout the 60's and 70's, then exponentially, the greed-heads collaborated on Wall St. and in Washington D.C. to shift our economy to a ridiculous notion called a "consumer based economy". They stood to make the big bucks in their lifetimes, and worked hard at cashing in as they shifted manufacturing to various approved third world nations. "Americans don't want those kinds of jobs" became an accepted way of looking at things.

To have an economy without a manufacturing base is like having a house and no land to put it on.

So, probably ever since the Eisenhower administration we have spent the enormous capital generated during those years, the Democrats taxing and spending, the Republicans spending and passing the cost on to later generations, until 60 years later they've spent the money well into the late 21st century, while doing nearly nothing to correct the real problems.

Not a big Biden fan, but placing the blame for our current problems on this one tiny cog in the machine seems an extreme form of scapegoatism.

Thanks all, just had to get that off my chest for no particular reason other than that my brain won't shut up about it until I do.

As long as this country only has policy that stretches to the next election cycle, things will get worse, regardless of which party is in charge.

@peter4jc said:

@Amos_Umwhat said:

Not a big Biden fan, but placing the blame for our current problems on this one tiny cog in the machine seems an extreme form of scapegoatism.

I don't buy either part of that sentence.

Also, I wish there was an easy way for people to refer to the current administration as a culprit (or a hero) rather than laying blame at Biden. I doubt he's capable of much, good or bad.

Every administration for 60 years has had the same kind of system to deal with regarding manufacturing/service. How much of the blame would you actually assess, Steve, to this "tiny cog"?

Hmm, I think you've missed a few things there. Time for another cup of coffee and clean your glasses, then read it again.

To wit:
1) You think I'm a "Biden Fan"? I assure you that I did not vote for him.

2) Your last paragraph, in fact your whole post, simply condenses exactly what I said. You've just highlighted the main thrust of the post.

Oh, and since Biden's been there for the last 60 years he does indeed bear a larger portion of the blame than most. But nowhere near enough to blame the whole mess on him. That's the point. Or, perhaps I misunderstood the implication of your reply when you said that you "don't buy either part of that sentence"?

Yeah, coming to his defense wasn't so much what I had in mind as pointing out that folks are flogging the wrong dead horse. Of course, ever since the G.W. Bush era I've been known for coming to the defense of political leaders that I felt were being unfairly attacked. So, it was something of a natural assumption.

It's not that I approve of their behaviors, it's that I think we should stop inciting the sheeple with false notions when there are so many viable options. People attacked W for all sorts of things he wasn't responsible for. Then, the pendulum swung, because that's what pendulums do, and people attacked Obama with all kinds of mischaracterizations. Totally unnecessary, both of them had plenty of real faults to attack without having to make schidt up.

I came as close as I've ever come in the last election to simply not voting at all. In the end, faced with the two sock puppets, I chose the Orange Ass Clown over the Doddering Relic, mostly because I trusted the one's with their hand in his sock more than the ones with their hands up the other ones skirt.

At any rate, I'd just like to see everyone come back from their extreme emotional positions, study a little history, and deal with a little reality.

I fear we may be disappointed, though.

^^^^^preach it brother^^^^

The left would have him assassinated for being too conservative. That's what they do to Kennedys.

@Bob_Luken said:

It's a look that says:

"Tha's right, Babe, after the prom we go to the Marriott for some chicken dinner, if you know what I mean?"