You have to be extremely careful with some of the newer bourbons on the market. A good deal of them are not distilled by the people bottling them at all. Some by bulk blends from a main distillery (there is a rather large one in Indiana) and the package it with a fancy label.
I've read that in several different blogs and sites, sad to hear and that's too bad but thanks for the heads up. Oh and congrats on 1K posts Matkn!!!
The place is called LDI, owned by MGP. Rye is actually a bigger culprit than bourbon right now because it's hot and hard to make well. Even some distillers only bottle LDI rye. That's not to say there aren't lots of bullsh!t bourbons with lots of bullsh!t stories on their bottles. Some bottlers make tweaks, like casking (Angel's Envy) but a lot are pure marketing.
You have to be extremely careful with some of the newer bourbons on the market. A good deal of them are not distilled by the people bottling them at all. Some by bulk blends from a main distillery (there is a rather large one in Indiana) and the package it with a fancy label.
I've read that in several different blogs and sites, sad to hear and that's too bad but thanks for the heads up. Oh and congrats on 1K posts Matkn!!!
The place is called LDI, owned by MGP. Rye is actually a bigger culprit than bourbon right now because it's hot and hard to make well. Even some distillers only bottle LDI rye. That's not to say there aren't lots of bullsh!t bourbons with lots of bullsh!t stories on their bottles. Some bottlers make tweaks, like casking (Angel's Envy) but a lot are pure marketing.
Yeah that's a damn shame but sadly not that surprising especially when you consider how much it happens in so many other markets as well. Case in point is the cigar industry as well. Tons of that behavior going on in many companies and manufacturers
"When walking in open territory bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them."
You have to be extremely careful with some of the newer bourbons on the market. A good deal of them are not distilled by the people bottling them at all. Some by bulk blends from a main distillery (there is a rather large one in Indiana) and the package it with a fancy label.
I've read that in several different blogs and sites, sad to hear and that's too bad but thanks for the heads up. Oh and congrats on 1K posts Matkn!!!
The place is called LDI, owned by MGP. Rye is actually a bigger culprit than bourbon right now because it's hot and hard to make well. Even some distillers only bottle LDI rye. That's not to say there aren't lots of bullsh!t bourbons with lots of bullsh!t stories on their bottles. Some bottlers make tweaks, like casking (Angel's Envy) but a lot are pure marketing.
Yeah that's a damn shame but sadly not that surprising especially when you consider how much it happens in so many other markets as well. Case in point is the cigar industry as well. Tons of that behavior going on in many companies and manufacturers
It's kinda sad how many of these "small" boubon (and cigar too, I bet) companies are just an arm of the same corporation. I guess from manufacturing stance, it makes sense, but I really hate to see stuff like one company producing a ton of rye and it getting basically re-labeled as "small batch" and artisanal. You're right, Ken, just bullsh!t. Oh well, I guess if it tastes good, then drink it, and don't pay for the story.
Midwest Grain Products Ingredients (MGPI), Lawrenceburg, IN. Formerly Lawrenceburg Distillers Indiana (LDI) and before that owned by the now dissolved Seagram's company, this large distillery near the Kentucky border makes bourbon, rye, corn, wheat and malt whiskeys as well as gin and neutral spirits. While they don't market any of their own whiskey, the distillery makes whiskey for a growing number of other labels. It's hard to always tell which companies are using MGP as their source, but the following is a listing of whiskeys that are likely distilled by MGP:
31 N 50 Bourbon (Dry Diggings)
4 Spirits Bourbon (4 Spirits)
1888 Bourbon (Diversa Brands)
99 Bottles Bourbon & Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
Angel's Envy Rye (Louisville Distilling Co.)
Backbone Bourbon (Crossroads Vitners/Strong Spirits)
Belle Meade Bourbon (Nelson's Greenbriar)
Big Ass Bourbon (Strong Spirits)
Big Bottom Bourbon (Big Bottom)
Big House Bourbon (Underdog Spirits)
Big Y Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
Bone Snapper Rye (Strong Spirits)
Breaker Bourbon (Ascendant Spirits)
Bulleit Rye (Diageo)
Chattanooga Whiskey 1816 Reserve (Chattanooga Whiskey Co.)
Clarion Bourbon and Blended Whiskey (Distilled Spirits Epicenter)
Cleveland Rye Whiskey (Cleveland Whiskey)
Coney Island Carlo Bourbon (Terresentia)
Copper City Straight Bourbon (Arizona Distilling Co.)
Corn Star Corn Whiskey (Bardstown Barrel Selections)
Cotton Hollow Rye (Cotton Hollow/Strong Spirits)
Cougar Bourbon & Rye (Foster's)
Defiance Whiskey (Crown Valley Distilling)
Filibuster Rye (M.S. Trading LP)
George Dickel Rye (George Dickel)
George Remus Bourbon & Rye (Queen City Whiskey/Strong Spirits)
Henderson Rye (North Texas Distillers)
High Liquors Bourbon & Rye (High Liquors)
High West (an an element of many of their whiskeys blends)
Homestead Bourbon (Homestead American whiskey)
Hooker's House (some of their bourbons and their rye; Prohibition Spirits)
J. Green Bourbon and Rye (Shadow Beverage Group)
James E. Pepper 1776 Rye (James E. Pepper/Strong Spirits)
J.R. Revelry Bourbon (La Bodega Internacional/Speakeasy Spirits)
Knotter Bourbon & Rye (Blaum Bros.)
LeMont Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
Mosswood American Light Whiskey (Mosswood Distillers)
O.K.I. Bourbon and Rye (New Riff Distilling)
Pinhook Bourbon (CJS Beverage Corp.)
Prichard's Rye (Prichard's)
Redemption Bourbon & Rye (Bardstown Barrel Selections)
Riverboat Rye (Bardstown Barrel Selections)
Rough Rider Bourbon & Rye (Long Island Spirits)
Seagram's 7 Blended Whiskey (Diageo)
Single Track Rye (Range and River Distilling)
Smokin' Joe's Bourbon & Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
Smooth Ambler Old Scout Bourbon, Rye and Corn Whiskey (Smooth Ambler)
Smuggler's Notch Rye
Spirit of America Bourbon (Hobson & Roberts)
Spring Mill Bourbon (Heartland Distillers)
Taos Lightning (KGB Spirits)
Temperance Trader (Bull Run Distilling)
Templeton Rye (Templeton)
Temptation Bourbon (Bardstown Barrel Selections)
The Saloon Bourbon & Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
Tin Cup Whiskey (Proximo Spirits)
Troubadour Bourbon (The Original Texas Legend Distillery)
WH Harrison Bourbon (Tipton Spirits)
Widow Jane Rye (Cacao Prieto)
Willett Rye (Indiana ryes)
Winghart's Bourbon & Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
I'm going to copy that post to the bourbon thread in NCR, if that's ok. Good info.
Perfect! Thanks for doing that Gray and really appreciate the info Doug, there's 3 or 4 on that list that I have personally had and really really enjoyed but that was definitely an eye opener, there's also a few in that list I've wanted to try but now I'm not quite so sure dunno whether to be a bit concerned or not.
"When walking in open territory bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them."
You have to be extremely careful with some of the newer bourbons on the market. A good deal of them are not distilled by the people bottling them at all. Some by bulk blends from a main distillery (there is a rather large one in Indiana) and the package it with a fancy label.
I've read that in several different blogs and sites, sad to hear and that's too bad but thanks for the heads up. Oh and congrats on 1K posts Matkn!!!
Why thank you Mr. Irish.
Life is too short to smoke bad cigars!!!
Oh when the Blues, Oh when the Blues, Oh when the Blues go marching in!
You have to be extremely careful with some of the newer bourbons on the market. A good deal of them are not distilled by the people bottling them at all. Some by bulk blends from a main distillery (there is a rather large one in Indiana) and the package it with a fancy label.
I've read that in several different blogs and sites, sad to hear and that's too bad but thanks for the heads up. Oh and congrats on 1K posts Matkn!!!
Why thank you Mr. Irish.
Nothing to thanks brother, but I ain't no Mr. lol I am for too obnoxious and young to be a Mr.
"When walking in open territory bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them."
Just secured two more bottles....I know I know, I have a problem!! haha
Barterhouse 20 and a bottle of Rock Hill Farms, both of which are extremely htf in WA.
I've heard the Rock Hills Farm is outstanding so let me know what you think! Hope the Barterhouse works out well for ya. Love to hear about both. and I don't think you have a problem any more than the rest of us do.... Wait that doesn't say much does it? Crap... Uh I will get back to you in that
"When walking in open territory bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them."
I've heard the Rock Hills Farm is outstanding so let me know what you think! Hope the Barterhouse works out well for ya. Love to hear about both. and I don't think you have a problem any more than the rest of us do.... Wait that doesn't say much does it? Crap... Uh I will get back to you in that
Just secured two more bottles....I know I know, I have a problem!! haha
Barterhouse 20 and a bottle of Rock Hill Farms, both of which are extremely htf in WA.
Rudy I figured it out. We don't have a problem at all, we have both proven that we don't have any problem whatsoever buying whiskey Case in point I picked up this today, wheated bourbon that the whiskey specialist at my store (they specialize in wine and whiskey of all types) was really pushing hard. Was same price as Buffalo Trace, W.L. Weller Reserve, Larceny and a few bucks cheaper than Old Grand Dad 114. Hope it lives up the the hype they were saying.
"When walking in open territory bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them."
I've heard the Rock Hills Farm is outstanding so let me know what you think! Hope the Barterhouse works out well for ya. Love to hear about both. and I don't think you have a problem any more than the rest of us do.... Wait that doesn't say much does it? Crap... Uh I will get back to you in that
Just secured two more bottles....I know I know, I have a problem!! haha
Barterhouse 20 and a bottle of Rock Hill Farms, both of which are extremely htf in WA.
Rudy I figured it out. We don't have a problem at all, we have both proven that we don't have any problem whatsoever buying whiskey Case in point I picked up this today, wheated bourbon that the whiskey specialist at my store (they specialize in wine and whiskey of all types) was really pushing hard. Was same price as Buffalo Trace, W.L. Weller Reserve, Larceny and a few bucks cheaper than Old Grand Dad 114. Hope it lives up the the hype they were saying.
Haha, yup.. From what Ive read a while back that is a goodun. I haven't ever ran across a bottle though, Have come across the larceny! Let us know your thoughts.
amz1301:
yep, you've gotta problem, lol. Saw Barterhouse and Rhetoric the other day. Curious if there worth the coin. Rock Hills too.
I would say for sure the Rock Hill Farms, The Barterhouse probably not a value pickup but cant win em all!!! I sure do try though!!!;o)
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31 N 50 Bourbon (Dry Diggings)
4 Spirits Bourbon (4 Spirits)
1888 Bourbon (Diversa Brands)
99 Bottles Bourbon & Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
Angel's Envy Rye (Louisville Distilling Co.)
Backbone Bourbon (Crossroads Vitners/Strong Spirits)
Belle Meade Bourbon (Nelson's Greenbriar)
Big Ass Bourbon (Strong Spirits)
Big Bottom Bourbon (Big Bottom)
Big House Bourbon (Underdog Spirits)
Big Y Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
Bone Snapper Rye (Strong Spirits)
Breaker Bourbon (Ascendant Spirits)
Bulleit Rye (Diageo)
Chattanooga Whiskey 1816 Reserve (Chattanooga Whiskey Co.)
Clarion Bourbon and Blended Whiskey (Distilled Spirits Epicenter)
Cleveland Rye Whiskey (Cleveland Whiskey)
Coney Island Carlo Bourbon (Terresentia)
Copper City Straight Bourbon (Arizona Distilling Co.)
Corn Star Corn Whiskey (Bardstown Barrel Selections)
Cotton Hollow Rye (Cotton Hollow/Strong Spirits)
Cougar Bourbon & Rye (Foster's)
Defiance Whiskey (Crown Valley Distilling)
Filibuster Rye (M.S. Trading LP)
George Dickel Rye (George Dickel)
George Remus Bourbon & Rye (Queen City Whiskey/Strong Spirits)
Henderson Rye (North Texas Distillers)
High Liquors Bourbon & Rye (High Liquors)
High West (an an element of many of their whiskeys blends)
Homestead Bourbon (Homestead American whiskey)
Hooker's House (some of their bourbons and their rye; Prohibition Spirits)
J. Green Bourbon and Rye (Shadow Beverage Group)
James E. Pepper 1776 Rye (James E. Pepper/Strong Spirits)
J.R. Revelry Bourbon (La Bodega Internacional/Speakeasy Spirits)
Knotter Bourbon & Rye (Blaum Bros.)
LeMont Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
Mosswood American Light Whiskey (Mosswood Distillers)
O.K.I. Bourbon and Rye (New Riff Distilling)
Pinhook Bourbon (CJS Beverage Corp.)
Prichard's Rye (Prichard's)
Redemption Bourbon & Rye (Bardstown Barrel Selections)
Riverboat Rye (Bardstown Barrel Selections)
Rough Rider Bourbon & Rye (Long Island Spirits)
Seagram's 7 Blended Whiskey (Diageo)
Single Track Rye (Range and River Distilling)
Smokin' Joe's Bourbon & Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
Smooth Ambler Old Scout Bourbon, Rye and Corn Whiskey (Smooth Ambler)
Smuggler's Notch Rye
Spirit of America Bourbon (Hobson & Roberts)
Spring Mill Bourbon (Heartland Distillers)
Taos Lightning (KGB Spirits)
Temperance Trader (Bull Run Distilling)
Templeton Rye (Templeton)
Temptation Bourbon (Bardstown Barrel Selections)
The Saloon Bourbon & Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
Tin Cup Whiskey (Proximo Spirits)
Troubadour Bourbon (The Original Texas Legend Distillery)
WH Harrison Bourbon (Tipton Spirits)
Widow Jane Rye (Cacao Prieto)
Willett Rye (Indiana ryes)
Winghart's Bourbon & Rye (PA Private Label Spirits)
http://recenteats.blogspot.com/p/the-complete-list-of-american-whiskey.html?m=1#IN
Good reads. The second link is where my last post is from.
Life is too short to smoke bad cigars!!!
Oh when the Blues, Oh when the Blues, Oh when the Blues go marching in!
What is your first? I like port this time of year and really like the Sandman
Barterhouse 20 and a bottle of Rock Hill Farms, both of which are extremely htf in WA.
http://barreljuice.com/2014/05/09/review-barterhouse-20-year-bourbon/
I would say for sure the Rock Hill Farms, The Barterhouse probably not a value pickup but cant win em all!!! I sure do try though!!!;o)
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